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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] -- [[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Colonies]] -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 19:03, 7 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Hutt Cartel]] -- [[User:Ubis Vrand|Ubis Vrand]] 10:44, 6 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for August 2015<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] <br />
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::[[User:Ubis Vrand|Ubis Vrand]] 07:57, 6 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
::[[User:Syn|Syn]] 05:29, 19 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
::[[User:Spree Razzix|Spree Razzix]] 3 August 2015 (PST)<br />
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* [[Colonies]]<br />
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::[[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 08:25, 6 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
::[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 09:10, 6 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for July 2015 will be [[Jahu Skyla]]. -- [[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 08:32, 5 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
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==Selection process discussion==<br />
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:The Moderator-only selection process does not seem to be yielding the kind of variety that effectively demonstrates the scope of the Holocron. What I suggest is that we make some changes. Perhaps we use a two-tiered voting system. In the first tier, a nomination thread can be made on the Discussion Page for an article(either by the article creator or someone else). People then place their vote in the article's discussion thread in the same way we do here. After say, two weeks, the top 10 articles enter the second tier. In the second tier, the moderators review and vote for any of the top 5 articles(6-10 being alternates in case of policy violations by the top 5). The votes in the second tier are done as we do them now. I would also suggest that admins consider giving out CPs for voting, having your article nominated, and especially winning as a means to incentivize increased activity. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 08:58, 4 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
:: I would support this. I've seen it utilized in other game wikis effectively. Articles are suggested on their talk pages and placed in a specific category; there are vote sections for, "FOR" and "AGAINST". After articles have met a certain vote threshold (e.g. 11 votes total, majority FOR) they are then added to a list. Moderators select each month's article based on the list. It would certainly serve as quality control. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 22:30, 7 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
::: I can't imagine it would be any better than the system we have now... people would still not vote. I did not know moderators had anything in particular to do with the Featured Article. I, for example, am not a moderator or authority figure here of any kind... the Featured Article section needed someone to keep it current because nobody else was doing it, so i took it upon myself to do it. That doesn't change the fact that people very rarely vote or even suggest any articles at all. Several times I have had to change my vote just because there were only three votes and all for a different articles. I would suggest some kind of addition to the Deathmatch or Grudge Match system though, where people could vote on it simply my clicking somewhere. This of course leads to the likelihood that people will simply vote for who they like more and not based off the merits of the article itself... but there will always be pros and cons to any voting type system. Making it more complicated would simply be a waste of time, as people would pay less attention to it than they do now. -- [[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 00:39, 8 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
:::: Not necessarily. I think it is a matter of incentives.This is is why I suggested CPs for people who vote, as well as for those whose articles win. what if there was a CP "Pot" each voting cycle based on the size of the "electorate". -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 18:57, 7 June 2015 <br />
::::: I still think people would simply vote on the person rather than the article. Would be much like clicking on the voting sites for CPs... no one actually reads anything there, they just click it and close it. The same would likely happen in this situation... people would see who was listed and instead of even reading the article, just click on a friend or someone they know/like or an underdog simply to get the CP reward. I'm not saying that this method should not be tried, just an opinion on the outcome. Maybe if some criteria were setup to even be nominated and then screened to give some quality control as Kyran suggested, then at least the articles would be Featured worthy, regardless of who ends up winning. -- [[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 01:11, 8 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
:::::: If quality control without being affected by popularity, is a large concern, perhaps it should be left to the Admin entirely. People could publicly make suggestions for the featured article, and from that list, the Admin could publicly vote. There seem to only be 3 active holocron administration, so there is an odd number of votes. If necessary, additional admin could be added? I would rather have less personal power in the process (e.g. voting), knowing that only actual top notch articles will be chosen. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 22:37, 13 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: This is why I suggested a two tier process. In the first tier, individuals can indicate in an article talk pages whether or not they wish to nominate an article. Admins can then vote for one of the top 10 based on whether an article meets holocron standards. If we continue to rely solely on admins for nominations, then we may miss articles that truly deserve it. In my own opinion, this is why we have gotten the same meery-go-round of articles in the last few months(who cares if people nominate their friend's articles, as we admins have the final determination on what is quality.). It also why I suggested that there be some kind of incentive from the SWC admins for getting your article nominated, being a finalist, and winning(SWC admins already give out CPs for holocron content creation). We then add a rule that no article can be a finalist three months in row, to encourage variety. I would like a rule that the same type of article can;t win twice in a row(character wins in january, a non character article has win in february), but I realize that is pushing it. --[[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 14:21, 14 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
::::::: I still support it. As featured articles have the white thumbs up, suggested featured articles could have a white question mark symbol or something similar, and its own category. You're right in that even if people nominate friends, the Admin would have the final call, thus avoiding the issue of favoritism. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 21:20, 14 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: So is everyone okay with me announcing that anyone can now vote for featured articles? Really would like to open this up for more variety. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 17:15, 28 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
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Moved this discussion to make the page easier to read.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 04:10, 20 August 2015 (GMT)<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before it'll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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:In regards to [[Fures Nocti|Nocti's]] suggestion of [[Tex Navos]], I disagree due to the overly abundant number of broken (red) links. It should be cleaned up quite a bit before being accepted as a candidate for featured article. The same thing goes towards the [[Falleen Federation]] and [[New Imperial Order]] suggestions. --[[User:Tomas o`Cuinn|Tomas o`Cuinn]] 08:22, 15 December 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: With the list and suggestions/options dwindling, I agree with Tomas about moderating suggestions a bit better. For example, the current 'next' featured article is the "Tex Navos" article. Prard`aga Rono had stated before, "Definitely agree with the sentiment that [the Tex Navos] article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors (Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. [...] In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged, as it does not conform to holocron standards." No changes have been made to fix the many issues. There are entire sections which are written as an RP. Holocron featured articles should minimally meet general standards, and ideally, be polished beyond the bare minimum. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 07:40, 4 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
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::: I think the "Tex Navos" article should be removed from the nomination process, since it not only violates Holocron Standards but the concept Tylger proposed for renominating an article, since it not only STILL contains a massive number of red links, but also has not undergone significant edits since it was last "nominated". -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 08:42, 4 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
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:::: I stand with Prard`aga in his suggestion to remove it from the nomination list. -- [[User:Tomas o`Cuinn|Cuinn]] 13:25, 4 June 2015 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Just saw this and removed it. I would also like to point out there are a lot of opinions here but nobody actually doing anything. Maybe a little more action to go with said opinions? I am only doing this because nobody else was bothering to do it, unless it was their own page in question, and am simply trying to ensure there is a Featured Article for people to see. I fully support someone qualified stepping up to handle it. -- [[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 02:40, 6 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
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I went with [[Falleen Federation]] as it does not have reference links to Wookiepedia like [[Colonies]] [[User:Ubis Vrand|Ubis Vrand]] 08:07, 6 July 2015 (GMT)<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
==Being Featured Multiple Times==<br />
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The Hapes article has already been featured, but is listed to be potentially featured again. It's first time, was a little over a year ago. Should we allow articles to be featured more than once? If so, should there be a maximum amount of times which an article may be featured? Should there be a requisite time period between each time? I'm just curious if we should set a precedence for this, before its necessary. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:48, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:On the RL wiki, articles tend to be rated and put in to categories based on their quality, yes? And they can decline in quality over time due to rewrites and so forth. Since we don't have that there isn't really anything determining, apart from the votes we give when an article is nominated, whether or not an article truly qualifies to be featured. In my personal opinion, if an article is to be featured for a second (or third, etc) time, then there ought to be a discussion - or proof put forth - regarding what significant changes have been made to the article to improve or expand upon it since the last time. I figure part of the reason the Hapes article was featured in the first place was due to the fact that it was one of the first longer in-depth articles put up on the Holocron (probably before we even voted on such.) But at the moment there are many other articles that surpass it in quality. Not to mention the fact that the Hapes article has not undergone any real major changes since 2011, and is quite outdated on several key points. To even warrant being featured a second time - and this time actually earn it - it would need a serious overhaul. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 23:52, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::Totally agreement with Alex here. As long as we apply the metric "Has this article undergone significant changes since last nominated/was featured?" we do not have to mess with tracking the time between articles. If someone wants to feature Hapes again, they should include an explanation of why it meets the "significant changes" condition and then we all vote as usual. If you are not convinced by that person's argument, or are persuaded that one of the other nominated articles is better, than do not vote for Hapes. In my opinion, this should be done for ALL articles nominated. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 01:04, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:Do we have a stub to immediately check whether an article is previously featured (there's a star on the upper right side for Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken) and when? This should at make nomination a bit easier.--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 01:33, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::There's a white Thumbs Up image at the top right of the page; you can see it on the Hapes page so that really shouldn't be included in the vote without justification. The feature date is only listed if you actually click on it but it was only about a year ago. --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 09:38, 1 September 2014 (GMT)<br />
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== Suggested Clean-Up: Move the actual vote-casting to Vote:Holocron:Featured Articles and reserve this page for discussion. ==<br />
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Perhaps we should move the actual vote casting to [[Vote:Holocron:Featured Articles]] and reserve this page ([[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles]]) solely for discussion/debate? Currently, this page is quite messy with the balloting process haphazardly occurring in the middle between other conversations. If we create [[Vote:Holocron:Featured Articles]], a "Vote" tab will automatically appear at the top of this page as a shortcut link, alongside the existing "Page," "Discussion," "History" tabs. I'm not suggesting a rule change, but a cleaner division between the voting and the debating. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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Much easier if you keep the talk page for voting and clear it every month. [[User:Venari Haliat|Venari Haliat]] 03:49, 20 August 2015 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Community_portal&diff=59496Talk:Community portal2015-03-29T18:49:50Z<p>Dreighton: /* recruitment links */</p>
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==Contacts==<br />
Since we restricted editing to those who are in the members group in order to combat spam, we've had a decline in contributions (or so it seems at least.) I think this probably relates to people not understanding that they need to be manually moved to the correct user group after registering. (There was a question about this in the SWC Questions Center recently.) <br />
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Perhaps we should set up a page somewhere on the HoloCron, and visibly link to it from the Main Page and/or Community Portal (and possibly other places where it would be useful) with a list of users who are able to change the status of newly registered members to the proper setting. Each name could have a hyperlink that opens the SWC DM window with the recipient name already added, thereby letting the prospective editor shoot off a request for status change right off the bat. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 19:31, 30 August 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. I guess we would create a sub-section with the Contact List at the top of the [[Holocron:Guide]] page and then link to section from the [[Main Page]] in a prominent, can't-be-missed way. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 20:26, 30 August 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== OOC Terminology in 'legal documents' or sources ==<br />
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A few days ago [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] replaced OOC terminology in [[Mindabaal League Charter]], which from what I gather is just a copy and paste of the constitution-like document of an alliance of factions. My question is should we replace OOC terminology in source material? Would we not thus 'falsify' such documents? <br />
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I think that a boilerplate message or a footnote indicating that this document may use different terminology and by a word "faction" may mean an "organization"... or something along those lines would be more appropriate.<br />
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Another question is whether or not such source material has a place on Holocron. IMHO yes, but it should be marked as such via a different namespace or other indicators. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 11:49, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:I agree that the source materials should be left intact and at best (imho) be moved to a seperate namespace making them easily distinguishable from the main articles. As discussed [[:Talk:Community portal#Rewriting_History|here]] already as well. I do think that (as discussed there) a category would be easier to handle, I'd still prefer a namespace though as to make people see that OOC language is ONLY okay there as to not drag it over to any article pages again. [[User:Qatar Shendo|--Qatar Shendo]] 15:40, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:This was my point-of-view on the question: Overall, I am worried this will set a dangerous precedent. According to Dreighton's instructions regarding the Fizzban article and later community discussions among Holocron editors, OOC articles are only permitted if they are of "exceptional importance" (such as the Combine Commander article). Unless the Charter article warrants exceptional importance on par with the Combine Commander article, I believe the content should be changed or the article should be removed from the Holocron. More importantly, if the Charter article is not deemed "exceptional importance" yet is allowed to include OOC information, this would set an alarming precedent that would allow many articles to likewise contain OOC content. If this occurs, the Holocron would be no more different than Compedia. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 19:20, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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::I tend to agree with Rupert here because I feel that if we do not set a certain standard now, we open for more issues of this kind down the road that would require arbitrary consideration of all new articles with this problem. The term "faction" is OOC in some manners, but I don't see it being excluded entirely from proper IC articles. For example, an article describing a civil war of some sort might very well refer to factions, but you guys know all that. In terms of the article in question, I can't really say for sure what is most appropriate. On one hand, editing the document from its original form means it is not really an accurate representation of how it was originally written and that spoils it. On the other hand, I am not sure that a document that was written in an OOC manner should be allowed on here, regardless of its overall IC significance. Then again, is the usage of the term faction in the article really so inappropriate? I see a few options. 1 - Add a header to the article stating the content has been revised from the source material for the sake of IC purposes; 2 - Contact the owners of the document and ask if they'd consider changing it so it might warrant inclusion on the Holocron. 3 - Make some sort of distinction - such as brackets - in the text to reflect what has been edited from the source content. An example of this would be [[Black_Sun_Crisis#Propaganda_War_.26_Diplomacy|the quote on the right in this article]] where the source content was somewhat poorly written and necessitated some small edits to make it clearer. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 19:55, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::: In my opinion the document owner(s) should be contacted first(before anyone changes ANYTHING in the article). They should be notified that the article contains OOC terms. An appropriate header should be placed above the article and they should be given an opportunity to change the article so it meets the standard.Then perhaps, after a designated waiting period(maybe two weeks), we can add "footnotes" for clarification. {{unsigned|Drak`ora Sabosen}}<br />
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::And yet that charter (and similar documents) unlike Combine Commander is an IC document, and reflects only to well that the majority of the combine does not differentiate all that well between factions and organizations, as evidenced by plenty of GNS articles, and many public IC documents (e.g. see article 1 section 1 of [http://swc-empire.com//Public/Reference/Docs/The%20Treaty%20of%20Coruscant.pdf Treaty of Coruscant]).<br />
::My point is that I do not think an editor should change terminology of an IC legal document without any indication for such change! Options 1 and 3, that Alex mentioned above should certainly be carefully considered on one hand, while on the other a policy or a guideline for posting source material on Holocron should be agreed upon and implemented ASAP. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 20:37, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:If it hasn't been done yet, I think we need a temporary stub or category to mark articles that are about 'legal documents' and sources. It would help us figure out how many of these articles there are and how much OOC terminology there are in these documents. With data in hand, we can figure out a policy or guideline that covers most scenarios. The options that Alex mentioned are all viable and as long as the original document is linked externally, we should be fine. As for a special namespace, if I'm not mistaken, someone mentioned the need to edit the server file in order to add a new namespace. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 03:09, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::Yes LocalSettings.php will need to be edited. Instructions can be found here - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:03, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:The Holocron has always been an IC based source of information. All OOC terminology should be altered (if possible into an IC sense) to keep it all IC. As Alex has said, factions can exist in certain cases, but if it's obvious that it should be company/organisation then the change should be made. If its an OOC then at bare minimum should be stubbed or rewritten to be IC related. [[User:Ignatius Paak|Ignatius Paak]] 6 September, 2012<br />
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So implementing [[Talk:Community_portal/Archive_2011#Rewriting_History|Orphaea's suggestion]] (thanks for reminder Qatar) would something like this work? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:03, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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: That definitely is a workable solution. I like it -- [[User:Drak`ora Sabosen|Drak`ora Sabosen]] 13:13, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I do like this solution, although to me personally the issue still stands as of if source materials/gns posts really warrant to be copied to the Holocron 1:1 as "real" articles, as they obviously don't meet an encyclopedic standard and are a primary source that shouldn't even be referred to at all times. As suggested in the old discussion something like wikisource would be needed to make clear that that's not how an article is supposed to look (lack of Intro sentence, no explanations etc.) and as already stated in the old discussion this is not a good idea considering it would split up our limited editing power even more, henceforth the suggestion of a seperate namespace to make it clear they are not "real" articles. I can live with the boilerplate being added instead, but I'd still vote for a namespace if possible. [[User:Qatar Shendo|--Qatar Shendo]] 19:25, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I agree with Raith, in the sense that, I support the boilerplate solution so long as the original document is linked externally. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:30, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::I agree that 1:1 copies of source materials are out of place in a '''normal''' encyclopedia. On the other hand normal encyclopedias also do not have articles on topics that do not have sufficient and readily available sources, which can be verified by whomever wants to do so. And that availability or absence thereof for [m]any sources pertaining to history of SWC factions and peoples, is in my opinion exactly the reason why we need to have unmodified source documents on Holocron, because whatever was "external" ten or even five years ago is likely to be only accessible via web archive and then only if you're very, very lucky.<br />
::Wikisource is just another wiki, and would be a 3rd one for SWC should we(?) decide to go that route... I'm not quite sure there was a need for two separate wikis in the first place, as everything can easily be accomplished on one via different namespaces, portals, and something similar to era icons you see on [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Eraicon wookieepedia]. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 09:31, 7 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:Xesh, you've brought up a valid point. Most of our activities are centered around the internet so if the faction implodes and no one (not even the web archive) kept a copy of the original documents, we would essentially lose the originals. A different namespace would work for keeping the originals somewhere without sacrificing the IC intent of the Holocron. For the original documents, we have the question of whether to introduce policy/guideline on what could be stored under the namespace. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:52, 8 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::I am 100% with Xesh on this. I have seen tons of material disappear from faction servers, even from the SWC server itself. So using this wiki as a repository is a good idea in itself. The boiler plate would be a great way to keep main articles IC, yet make it easy for people to find the original material in a separate namespace. As I am a historian IRL you can possibly guess that it almost physically pains we to change as much as a typo in any source, yet all texts - including Holocron articles - have a specific audience and intention, and this rather requires a moderate and careful rewrite. I am glad that so many people are concerned about this, aware of the problem and willing to work on a soluton that tries to be true to the source and the intention of the Holocron. I have to say that I am also a lot more relaxed about the whole matter now than I was a year ago. I take a look at many, many edits in this wiki. I see how people change names of ships, NPCs etc in articles, for example because they decided it would be more fun to have their IC mother named "Lara" than "Sandi" (or vice verse). So replacing "faction" with something more IC in a source document - when done carefully - is by now way down on my list of concerns when it coems to historical consistency of our universe as depicted in the Holocron. We will never be able to police all those edits, even if we wanted to. We can ask people to be reasonable. But we have to keep in mind that our main focus is story telling and giving orientation, not factual information as a "normal" encyclopedia. Yes, we also try to record and sometimes write the history of the universe we play in and this calls for some good practice, just as for a real life historian, but we will not be able to train those standards into all our users and editors and it will sometimes be at odds with the purpose of story telling. As this is not only a problem of documents, but also other OOC material that is included because of its exceptional importance, I decided to set up a namespace "OOC" and "OOC_Talk" for the respective talk pages.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 16:21, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:::So what kind of articles should go to OOC namespace? Would the original [[Mindabaal League Charter]] go there and the holocron-ified version stay in (main) namespace? Would [[Combine Commander]] and similar articles be moved into OOC namespace? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 21:13, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::::That is the idea. Let's try it and see, if it works.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:23, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== new infobox race variant ==<br />
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I've made a conditional variant of infobox race. Please have a look at it and let me know what you think. <br /><br />
The template can be found at [[Template:Infobox_Race/v2]], and I've switched infobox on [[Hapan]] page to showcase it. Basically what it does now is omit any field without information. <br /><br />
I'm not really happy with how the known members work, but for now left it mostly intact. <br /><br />
Now that the template is conditional other fields could be added for various species, see http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Species for an example... --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 14:25, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:That looks great. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:30, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== multiple ship infobox templates in use / modifications to one of them ==<br />
This was already discussed earlier this year on [[Talk:Holocron:ToDo#Different_Ship_Templates]], but I guess not everyone has seen it. We currently have '''FIVE''' templates for ships: {{tl|Infobox ship}}, {{tl|Infobox Ship}}, {{tl|Starfighter-Current}}, {{tl|Freighter-Current}}, and {{tl|Special-Ship}}! First FOUR are (almost) identical!<br /><br />
It was agreed that we should use one. [[User:Rupert Havok]] created the latest ({{tl|Infobox Ship}}) and attempted to unify everything in one template. I have further modified the template adding a few fields and making it conditional, i.e. if fields are left empty they will not show on the page that uses template. Please review my modifications - {{tl|Infobox Ship/v2}}, before they are implemented in the main template. Example Infobox can be seen in [[Pulsar Battle Cruiser]] article.<br /><br />
Further modification I've considered, but did not implement at this time - displaying amount of escape pods, medical room and various other characteristics like hangar/docking bay, repulsor etc. <br /><br />
Once changes are reviewed and further modifications are implemented and tested, I would like to ask Rupert, who may or may not use special bot script to replace other templates in all ship pages. Or we can divide ship classes and do it manually... --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 04:25, 9 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I've added a few more fields and moved some fields around. <br />
:Still unsure about the field/variable "affiliation" - IMHO a ship class can be associated with multiple factions... What the SWC rules page means is "owner of the datacard" - does anyone have suggestions as to how to phrase that sort of entry in an IC encyclopedia? Manufacturer doesn't quite cut it... Designer? Blueprint owner?<br />
:Anyways I would like some feedback before replacing all of the ship templates with this one. <br />
:Also any thoughts on whether or not we want to include fields from {{tl|Special-Ship}} and thus remove all but one templates? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 19:13, 29 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== article deletion discussion ==<br />
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Do "we" want to setup a special page for discussing article and file deletion suggestions?<br /><br />
At the moment many deletion suggestions do not provide any reason at all, and getting involved in discussion of deletion is somewhat complicated with admin and whoever wants to get involved needing to discuss it on the talk page of each article/file. Maybe having a centralized location would allow for better visibility and participation.<br /><br />
Also as some of you may have noticed I've modified {{tl|delete}} to include a reason for deletion right in the header. The usage is simple: <nowiki>{{delete|This file is unused.}}</nowiki> --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 19:21, 29 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== recruitment links ==<br />
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I was contacted by an SWC member and asked about organisation recruitment links in the personal pages. <br /><br />
It seems Infinite Empire is doing stub profiles of their people and adding recruitment links to them. Here are some of the examples:<br /><br />
* [[Amdaren Hakaari]]<br />
* [[Adin Cole]]<br />
* [[Alana Barrr]]<br />
* [[Jaren Maximus]]<br />
* [[Ra Kursadati]] and so on...<br />
What do you think about it? Do or don't? <br /><br />
Personally I don't think it's (1) neutral and (2) something you would find in an encyclopedia.<br /><br />
--[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:55, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:I agree that it is something that doesn't fit on Holocron, even less so on one-line articles. Its like cheap spam advertising.<br />
:--[[User:Lilith Delcroix|Lilith Delcroix]] 14:04, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:My first impulse was to agree, but I actually find it quite clever, how it makes the Holocron interact with Darkness. Maybe we should even use this more. But then it should become a standard that is applied to all people, facions and possibly other objects. Why not work it into the character and faction template? I would not see any fault with a last section (maybe even witha button appearance) that say either "Contact [character]" or "Join [faction]". It would make the Holocron more interactive and better integrated with Darkness. And if it is a standard efature of the template it is not breaking format as much as it does now.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 16:10, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
::I wouldn't terribly mind such a link on an organisation page, but adding it to the page of every organisation member? What if that person is also a member of several NFGs? Do we allow for adding advertisement for each of them? or any of the organisations that this person belonged to in the past?<br />
::A better integration and interaction of holocron with darkness is a worthy goal, but is advertisment promotion the way to go about it? I would rather for example see planet/system/entity description while in darkness be shown from holocron articles... it can be achieved by placing such description within custom tags IIRC, but would certainly require better cooperation with description/writer teams and probably policing as well. But it would add a bit more flexibility and allow more actual SWC history and flair to flow into such descriptions. But I digress.<br />
::--[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 17:21, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:::No, you don't. Your examples rather extend waht I wanted to say. I agree that a recruitment page for every faction member is not the way to go. Note that I rather suggested to add a contact/join link in the character/faction template box of a characer/faction. I think having a button for the join form on the Holocron page of the faction isn't unfair or inapproriate advertising. Doing it the other way around - linking from Darkness to the Holocron - would be another story, but an interesting one. I would not like to see any Darkness content incoporated into any Darkness pages, as we do not have the same level of control over them, but linking to it or maybe even putting up snippets in a way that makes clear that this is taken from the Holocron sounds interesting.<br />
:::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 18:49, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:::SWC already has proper venues for recruitment. In addition to which, player pages already list their affiliation, and that link (or the faction's holocron page) link to the faction homepage, so this seems like a redundant and cheap method to scrounge for new members. I find it a detrimental use of the holocron, which is designed to compile information rather than to be used as a recruitment tool. You don't find links all over Wikipedia's people pages either that link you to the jobs databases for the companies they work for. It has nothing to do with the articles.<br />
:::--[[User:Syn|Syn]] 18:45, 29 March 2015 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Community_portal&diff=59495Talk:Community portal2015-03-29T18:49:11Z<p>Dreighton: /* recruitment links */</p>
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==Contacts==<br />
Since we restricted editing to those who are in the members group in order to combat spam, we've had a decline in contributions (or so it seems at least.) I think this probably relates to people not understanding that they need to be manually moved to the correct user group after registering. (There was a question about this in the SWC Questions Center recently.) <br />
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Perhaps we should set up a page somewhere on the HoloCron, and visibly link to it from the Main Page and/or Community Portal (and possibly other places where it would be useful) with a list of users who are able to change the status of newly registered members to the proper setting. Each name could have a hyperlink that opens the SWC DM window with the recipient name already added, thereby letting the prospective editor shoot off a request for status change right off the bat. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 19:31, 30 August 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. I guess we would create a sub-section with the Contact List at the top of the [[Holocron:Guide]] page and then link to section from the [[Main Page]] in a prominent, can't-be-missed way. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 20:26, 30 August 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== OOC Terminology in 'legal documents' or sources ==<br />
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A few days ago [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] replaced OOC terminology in [[Mindabaal League Charter]], which from what I gather is just a copy and paste of the constitution-like document of an alliance of factions. My question is should we replace OOC terminology in source material? Would we not thus 'falsify' such documents? <br />
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I think that a boilerplate message or a footnote indicating that this document may use different terminology and by a word "faction" may mean an "organization"... or something along those lines would be more appropriate.<br />
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Another question is whether or not such source material has a place on Holocron. IMHO yes, but it should be marked as such via a different namespace or other indicators. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 11:49, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:I agree that the source materials should be left intact and at best (imho) be moved to a seperate namespace making them easily distinguishable from the main articles. As discussed [[:Talk:Community portal#Rewriting_History|here]] already as well. I do think that (as discussed there) a category would be easier to handle, I'd still prefer a namespace though as to make people see that OOC language is ONLY okay there as to not drag it over to any article pages again. [[User:Qatar Shendo|--Qatar Shendo]] 15:40, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:This was my point-of-view on the question: Overall, I am worried this will set a dangerous precedent. According to Dreighton's instructions regarding the Fizzban article and later community discussions among Holocron editors, OOC articles are only permitted if they are of "exceptional importance" (such as the Combine Commander article). Unless the Charter article warrants exceptional importance on par with the Combine Commander article, I believe the content should be changed or the article should be removed from the Holocron. More importantly, if the Charter article is not deemed "exceptional importance" yet is allowed to include OOC information, this would set an alarming precedent that would allow many articles to likewise contain OOC content. If this occurs, the Holocron would be no more different than Compedia. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 19:20, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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::I tend to agree with Rupert here because I feel that if we do not set a certain standard now, we open for more issues of this kind down the road that would require arbitrary consideration of all new articles with this problem. The term "faction" is OOC in some manners, but I don't see it being excluded entirely from proper IC articles. For example, an article describing a civil war of some sort might very well refer to factions, but you guys know all that. In terms of the article in question, I can't really say for sure what is most appropriate. On one hand, editing the document from its original form means it is not really an accurate representation of how it was originally written and that spoils it. On the other hand, I am not sure that a document that was written in an OOC manner should be allowed on here, regardless of its overall IC significance. Then again, is the usage of the term faction in the article really so inappropriate? I see a few options. 1 - Add a header to the article stating the content has been revised from the source material for the sake of IC purposes; 2 - Contact the owners of the document and ask if they'd consider changing it so it might warrant inclusion on the Holocron. 3 - Make some sort of distinction - such as brackets - in the text to reflect what has been edited from the source content. An example of this would be [[Black_Sun_Crisis#Propaganda_War_.26_Diplomacy|the quote on the right in this article]] where the source content was somewhat poorly written and necessitated some small edits to make it clearer. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 19:55, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::: In my opinion the document owner(s) should be contacted first(before anyone changes ANYTHING in the article). They should be notified that the article contains OOC terms. An appropriate header should be placed above the article and they should be given an opportunity to change the article so it meets the standard.Then perhaps, after a designated waiting period(maybe two weeks), we can add "footnotes" for clarification. {{unsigned|Drak`ora Sabosen}}<br />
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::And yet that charter (and similar documents) unlike Combine Commander is an IC document, and reflects only to well that the majority of the combine does not differentiate all that well between factions and organizations, as evidenced by plenty of GNS articles, and many public IC documents (e.g. see article 1 section 1 of [http://swc-empire.com//Public/Reference/Docs/The%20Treaty%20of%20Coruscant.pdf Treaty of Coruscant]).<br />
::My point is that I do not think an editor should change terminology of an IC legal document without any indication for such change! Options 1 and 3, that Alex mentioned above should certainly be carefully considered on one hand, while on the other a policy or a guideline for posting source material on Holocron should be agreed upon and implemented ASAP. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 20:37, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:If it hasn't been done yet, I think we need a temporary stub or category to mark articles that are about 'legal documents' and sources. It would help us figure out how many of these articles there are and how much OOC terminology there are in these documents. With data in hand, we can figure out a policy or guideline that covers most scenarios. The options that Alex mentioned are all viable and as long as the original document is linked externally, we should be fine. As for a special namespace, if I'm not mistaken, someone mentioned the need to edit the server file in order to add a new namespace. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 03:09, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::Yes LocalSettings.php will need to be edited. Instructions can be found here - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:03, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:The Holocron has always been an IC based source of information. All OOC terminology should be altered (if possible into an IC sense) to keep it all IC. As Alex has said, factions can exist in certain cases, but if it's obvious that it should be company/organisation then the change should be made. If its an OOC then at bare minimum should be stubbed or rewritten to be IC related. [[User:Ignatius Paak|Ignatius Paak]] 6 September, 2012<br />
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So implementing [[Talk:Community_portal/Archive_2011#Rewriting_History|Orphaea's suggestion]] (thanks for reminder Qatar) would something like this work? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:03, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
{{User:Xesh_Randell/boilerplates/modifiedsource}}<br />
: That definitely is a workable solution. I like it -- [[User:Drak`ora Sabosen|Drak`ora Sabosen]] 13:13, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I do like this solution, although to me personally the issue still stands as of if source materials/gns posts really warrant to be copied to the Holocron 1:1 as "real" articles, as they obviously don't meet an encyclopedic standard and are a primary source that shouldn't even be referred to at all times. As suggested in the old discussion something like wikisource would be needed to make clear that that's not how an article is supposed to look (lack of Intro sentence, no explanations etc.) and as already stated in the old discussion this is not a good idea considering it would split up our limited editing power even more, henceforth the suggestion of a seperate namespace to make it clear they are not "real" articles. I can live with the boilerplate being added instead, but I'd still vote for a namespace if possible. [[User:Qatar Shendo|--Qatar Shendo]] 19:25, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I agree with Raith, in the sense that, I support the boilerplate solution so long as the original document is linked externally. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:30, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::I agree that 1:1 copies of source materials are out of place in a '''normal''' encyclopedia. On the other hand normal encyclopedias also do not have articles on topics that do not have sufficient and readily available sources, which can be verified by whomever wants to do so. And that availability or absence thereof for [m]any sources pertaining to history of SWC factions and peoples, is in my opinion exactly the reason why we need to have unmodified source documents on Holocron, because whatever was "external" ten or even five years ago is likely to be only accessible via web archive and then only if you're very, very lucky.<br />
::Wikisource is just another wiki, and would be a 3rd one for SWC should we(?) decide to go that route... I'm not quite sure there was a need for two separate wikis in the first place, as everything can easily be accomplished on one via different namespaces, portals, and something similar to era icons you see on [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Eraicon wookieepedia]. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 09:31, 7 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:Xesh, you've brought up a valid point. Most of our activities are centered around the internet so if the faction implodes and no one (not even the web archive) kept a copy of the original documents, we would essentially lose the originals. A different namespace would work for keeping the originals somewhere without sacrificing the IC intent of the Holocron. For the original documents, we have the question of whether to introduce policy/guideline on what could be stored under the namespace. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:52, 8 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::I am 100% with Xesh on this. I have seen tons of material disappear from faction servers, even from the SWC server itself. So using this wiki as a repository is a good idea in itself. The boiler plate would be a great way to keep main articles IC, yet make it easy for people to find the original material in a separate namespace. As I am a historian IRL you can possibly guess that it almost physically pains we to change as much as a typo in any source, yet all texts - including Holocron articles - have a specific audience and intention, and this rather requires a moderate and careful rewrite. I am glad that so many people are concerned about this, aware of the problem and willing to work on a soluton that tries to be true to the source and the intention of the Holocron. I have to say that I am also a lot more relaxed about the whole matter now than I was a year ago. I take a look at many, many edits in this wiki. I see how people change names of ships, NPCs etc in articles, for example because they decided it would be more fun to have their IC mother named "Lara" than "Sandi" (or vice verse). So replacing "faction" with something more IC in a source document - when done carefully - is by now way down on my list of concerns when it coems to historical consistency of our universe as depicted in the Holocron. We will never be able to police all those edits, even if we wanted to. We can ask people to be reasonable. But we have to keep in mind that our main focus is story telling and giving orientation, not factual information as a "normal" encyclopedia. Yes, we also try to record and sometimes write the history of the universe we play in and this calls for some good practice, just as for a real life historian, but we will not be able to train those standards into all our users and editors and it will sometimes be at odds with the purpose of story telling. As this is not only a problem of documents, but also other OOC material that is included because of its exceptional importance, I decided to set up a namespace "OOC" and "OOC_Talk" for the respective talk pages.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 16:21, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:::So what kind of articles should go to OOC namespace? Would the original [[Mindabaal League Charter]] go there and the holocron-ified version stay in (main) namespace? Would [[Combine Commander]] and similar articles be moved into OOC namespace? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 21:13, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::::That is the idea. Let's try it and see, if it works.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:23, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== new infobox race variant ==<br />
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I've made a conditional variant of infobox race. Please have a look at it and let me know what you think. <br /><br />
The template can be found at [[Template:Infobox_Race/v2]], and I've switched infobox on [[Hapan]] page to showcase it. Basically what it does now is omit any field without information. <br /><br />
I'm not really happy with how the known members work, but for now left it mostly intact. <br /><br />
Now that the template is conditional other fields could be added for various species, see http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Species for an example... --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 14:25, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:That looks great. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:30, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== multiple ship infobox templates in use / modifications to one of them ==<br />
This was already discussed earlier this year on [[Talk:Holocron:ToDo#Different_Ship_Templates]], but I guess not everyone has seen it. We currently have '''FIVE''' templates for ships: {{tl|Infobox ship}}, {{tl|Infobox Ship}}, {{tl|Starfighter-Current}}, {{tl|Freighter-Current}}, and {{tl|Special-Ship}}! First FOUR are (almost) identical!<br /><br />
It was agreed that we should use one. [[User:Rupert Havok]] created the latest ({{tl|Infobox Ship}}) and attempted to unify everything in one template. I have further modified the template adding a few fields and making it conditional, i.e. if fields are left empty they will not show on the page that uses template. Please review my modifications - {{tl|Infobox Ship/v2}}, before they are implemented in the main template. Example Infobox can be seen in [[Pulsar Battle Cruiser]] article.<br /><br />
Further modification I've considered, but did not implement at this time - displaying amount of escape pods, medical room and various other characteristics like hangar/docking bay, repulsor etc. <br /><br />
Once changes are reviewed and further modifications are implemented and tested, I would like to ask Rupert, who may or may not use special bot script to replace other templates in all ship pages. Or we can divide ship classes and do it manually... --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 04:25, 9 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I've added a few more fields and moved some fields around. <br />
:Still unsure about the field/variable "affiliation" - IMHO a ship class can be associated with multiple factions... What the SWC rules page means is "owner of the datacard" - does anyone have suggestions as to how to phrase that sort of entry in an IC encyclopedia? Manufacturer doesn't quite cut it... Designer? Blueprint owner?<br />
:Anyways I would like some feedback before replacing all of the ship templates with this one. <br />
:Also any thoughts on whether or not we want to include fields from {{tl|Special-Ship}} and thus remove all but one templates? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 19:13, 29 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== article deletion discussion ==<br />
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Do "we" want to setup a special page for discussing article and file deletion suggestions?<br /><br />
At the moment many deletion suggestions do not provide any reason at all, and getting involved in discussion of deletion is somewhat complicated with admin and whoever wants to get involved needing to discuss it on the talk page of each article/file. Maybe having a centralized location would allow for better visibility and participation.<br /><br />
Also as some of you may have noticed I've modified {{tl|delete}} to include a reason for deletion right in the header. The usage is simple: <nowiki>{{delete|This file is unused.}}</nowiki> --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 19:21, 29 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== recruitment links ==<br />
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I was contacted by an SWC member and asked about organisation recruitment links in the personal pages. <br /><br />
It seems Infinite Empire is doing stub profiles of their people and adding recruitment links to them. Here are some of the examples:<br /><br />
* [[Amdaren Hakaari]]<br />
* [[Adin Cole]]<br />
* [[Alana Barrr]]<br />
* [[Jaren Maximus]]<br />
* [[Ra Kursadati]] and so on...<br />
What do you think about it? Do or don't? <br /><br />
Personally I don't think it's (1) neutral and (2) something you would find in an encyclopedia.<br /><br />
--[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:55, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:I agree that it is something that doesn't fit on Holocron, even less so on one-line articles. Its like cheap spam advertising.<br />
:--[[User:Lilith Delcroix|Lilith Delcroix]] 14:04, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:My first impulse was to agree, but I actually find it quite clever, how it makes the Holocron interact with Darkness. Maybe we should even use this more. But then it should become a standard that is applied to all people, facions and possibly other objects. Why not work it into the character and faction template? I would not see any fault with a last section (maybe even witha button appearance) that say either "Contact [character]" or "Join [faction]". It would make the Holocron more interactive and better integrated with Darkness. And if it is a standard efature of the template it is not breaking format as much as it does now.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 16:10, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
::I wouldn't terribly mind such a link on an organisation page, but adding it to the page of every organisation member? What if that person is also a member of several NFGs? Do we allow for adding advertisement for each of them? or any of the organisations that this person belonged to in the past?<br />
::A better integration and interaction of holocron with darkness is a worthy goal, but is advertisment promotion the way to go about it? I would rather for example see planet/system/entity description while in darkness be shown from holocron articles... it can be achieved by placing such description within custom tags IIRC, but would certainly require better cooperation with description/writer teams and probably policing as well. But it would add a bit more flexibility and allow more actual SWC history and flair to flow into such descriptions. But I digress.<br />
::--[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 17:21, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:::No, you don't. Your examples rather extend waht I wanted to say. I agree that a recruitment page for every faction member is not the way to go. Note that I rather suggested to add a contact/join link in the character/faction template box of a characer/faction. I think having a button for the join form on the Holocron page of the faction isn't unfair or inapproriate advertising. Doing it the other way around - linking from Darkness to the Holocron - would be another story, but an interesting one. I would not like to see any Darkness content incoporated into any Darkness pages, as we do not have the same level of control over them, but linking to it or maybe even putting up snippets in a way that makes clear that this is taken from the Holocron sounds interesting.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 18:49, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:::SWC already has proper venues for recruitment. In addition to which, player pages already list their affiliation, and that link (or the faction's holocron page) link to the faction homepage, so this seems like a redundant and cheap method to scrounge for new members. I find it a detrimental use of the holocron, which is designed to compile information rather than to be used as a recruitment tool. You don't find links all over Wikipedia's people pages either that link you to the jobs databases for the companies they work for. It has nothing to do with the articles.<br />
:::--[[User:Syn|Syn]] 18:45, 29 March 2015 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Community_portal&diff=59492Talk:Community portal2015-03-29T16:10:55Z<p>Dreighton: /* recruitment links */</p>
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==Contacts==<br />
Since we restricted editing to those who are in the members group in order to combat spam, we've had a decline in contributions (or so it seems at least.) I think this probably relates to people not understanding that they need to be manually moved to the correct user group after registering. (There was a question about this in the SWC Questions Center recently.) <br />
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Perhaps we should set up a page somewhere on the HoloCron, and visibly link to it from the Main Page and/or Community Portal (and possibly other places where it would be useful) with a list of users who are able to change the status of newly registered members to the proper setting. Each name could have a hyperlink that opens the SWC DM window with the recipient name already added, thereby letting the prospective editor shoot off a request for status change right off the bat. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 19:31, 30 August 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. I guess we would create a sub-section with the Contact List at the top of the [[Holocron:Guide]] page and then link to section from the [[Main Page]] in a prominent, can't-be-missed way. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 20:26, 30 August 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== OOC Terminology in 'legal documents' or sources ==<br />
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A few days ago [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] replaced OOC terminology in [[Mindabaal League Charter]], which from what I gather is just a copy and paste of the constitution-like document of an alliance of factions. My question is should we replace OOC terminology in source material? Would we not thus 'falsify' such documents? <br />
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I think that a boilerplate message or a footnote indicating that this document may use different terminology and by a word "faction" may mean an "organization"... or something along those lines would be more appropriate.<br />
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Another question is whether or not such source material has a place on Holocron. IMHO yes, but it should be marked as such via a different namespace or other indicators. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 11:49, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:I agree that the source materials should be left intact and at best (imho) be moved to a seperate namespace making them easily distinguishable from the main articles. As discussed [[:Talk:Community portal#Rewriting_History|here]] already as well. I do think that (as discussed there) a category would be easier to handle, I'd still prefer a namespace though as to make people see that OOC language is ONLY okay there as to not drag it over to any article pages again. [[User:Qatar Shendo|--Qatar Shendo]] 15:40, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:This was my point-of-view on the question: Overall, I am worried this will set a dangerous precedent. According to Dreighton's instructions regarding the Fizzban article and later community discussions among Holocron editors, OOC articles are only permitted if they are of "exceptional importance" (such as the Combine Commander article). Unless the Charter article warrants exceptional importance on par with the Combine Commander article, I believe the content should be changed or the article should be removed from the Holocron. More importantly, if the Charter article is not deemed "exceptional importance" yet is allowed to include OOC information, this would set an alarming precedent that would allow many articles to likewise contain OOC content. If this occurs, the Holocron would be no more different than Compedia. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 19:20, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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::I tend to agree with Rupert here because I feel that if we do not set a certain standard now, we open for more issues of this kind down the road that would require arbitrary consideration of all new articles with this problem. The term "faction" is OOC in some manners, but I don't see it being excluded entirely from proper IC articles. For example, an article describing a civil war of some sort might very well refer to factions, but you guys know all that. In terms of the article in question, I can't really say for sure what is most appropriate. On one hand, editing the document from its original form means it is not really an accurate representation of how it was originally written and that spoils it. On the other hand, I am not sure that a document that was written in an OOC manner should be allowed on here, regardless of its overall IC significance. Then again, is the usage of the term faction in the article really so inappropriate? I see a few options. 1 - Add a header to the article stating the content has been revised from the source material for the sake of IC purposes; 2 - Contact the owners of the document and ask if they'd consider changing it so it might warrant inclusion on the Holocron. 3 - Make some sort of distinction - such as brackets - in the text to reflect what has been edited from the source content. An example of this would be [[Black_Sun_Crisis#Propaganda_War_.26_Diplomacy|the quote on the right in this article]] where the source content was somewhat poorly written and necessitated some small edits to make it clearer. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 19:55, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::: In my opinion the document owner(s) should be contacted first(before anyone changes ANYTHING in the article). They should be notified that the article contains OOC terms. An appropriate header should be placed above the article and they should be given an opportunity to change the article so it meets the standard.Then perhaps, after a designated waiting period(maybe two weeks), we can add "footnotes" for clarification. {{unsigned|Drak`ora Sabosen}}<br />
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::And yet that charter (and similar documents) unlike Combine Commander is an IC document, and reflects only to well that the majority of the combine does not differentiate all that well between factions and organizations, as evidenced by plenty of GNS articles, and many public IC documents (e.g. see article 1 section 1 of [http://swc-empire.com//Public/Reference/Docs/The%20Treaty%20of%20Coruscant.pdf Treaty of Coruscant]).<br />
::My point is that I do not think an editor should change terminology of an IC legal document without any indication for such change! Options 1 and 3, that Alex mentioned above should certainly be carefully considered on one hand, while on the other a policy or a guideline for posting source material on Holocron should be agreed upon and implemented ASAP. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 20:37, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:If it hasn't been done yet, I think we need a temporary stub or category to mark articles that are about 'legal documents' and sources. It would help us figure out how many of these articles there are and how much OOC terminology there are in these documents. With data in hand, we can figure out a policy or guideline that covers most scenarios. The options that Alex mentioned are all viable and as long as the original document is linked externally, we should be fine. As for a special namespace, if I'm not mistaken, someone mentioned the need to edit the server file in order to add a new namespace. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 03:09, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::Yes LocalSettings.php will need to be edited. Instructions can be found here - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:03, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:The Holocron has always been an IC based source of information. All OOC terminology should be altered (if possible into an IC sense) to keep it all IC. As Alex has said, factions can exist in certain cases, but if it's obvious that it should be company/organisation then the change should be made. If its an OOC then at bare minimum should be stubbed or rewritten to be IC related. [[User:Ignatius Paak|Ignatius Paak]] 6 September, 2012<br />
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So implementing [[Talk:Community_portal/Archive_2011#Rewriting_History|Orphaea's suggestion]] (thanks for reminder Qatar) would something like this work? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:03, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
{{User:Xesh_Randell/boilerplates/modifiedsource}}<br />
: That definitely is a workable solution. I like it -- [[User:Drak`ora Sabosen|Drak`ora Sabosen]] 13:13, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I do like this solution, although to me personally the issue still stands as of if source materials/gns posts really warrant to be copied to the Holocron 1:1 as "real" articles, as they obviously don't meet an encyclopedic standard and are a primary source that shouldn't even be referred to at all times. As suggested in the old discussion something like wikisource would be needed to make clear that that's not how an article is supposed to look (lack of Intro sentence, no explanations etc.) and as already stated in the old discussion this is not a good idea considering it would split up our limited editing power even more, henceforth the suggestion of a seperate namespace to make it clear they are not "real" articles. I can live with the boilerplate being added instead, but I'd still vote for a namespace if possible. [[User:Qatar Shendo|--Qatar Shendo]] 19:25, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I agree with Raith, in the sense that, I support the boilerplate solution so long as the original document is linked externally. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:30, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::I agree that 1:1 copies of source materials are out of place in a '''normal''' encyclopedia. On the other hand normal encyclopedias also do not have articles on topics that do not have sufficient and readily available sources, which can be verified by whomever wants to do so. And that availability or absence thereof for [m]any sources pertaining to history of SWC factions and peoples, is in my opinion exactly the reason why we need to have unmodified source documents on Holocron, because whatever was "external" ten or even five years ago is likely to be only accessible via web archive and then only if you're very, very lucky.<br />
::Wikisource is just another wiki, and would be a 3rd one for SWC should we(?) decide to go that route... I'm not quite sure there was a need for two separate wikis in the first place, as everything can easily be accomplished on one via different namespaces, portals, and something similar to era icons you see on [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Eraicon wookieepedia]. --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 09:31, 7 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:Xesh, you've brought up a valid point. Most of our activities are centered around the internet so if the faction implodes and no one (not even the web archive) kept a copy of the original documents, we would essentially lose the originals. A different namespace would work for keeping the originals somewhere without sacrificing the IC intent of the Holocron. For the original documents, we have the question of whether to introduce policy/guideline on what could be stored under the namespace. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:52, 8 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::I am 100% with Xesh on this. I have seen tons of material disappear from faction servers, even from the SWC server itself. So using this wiki as a repository is a good idea in itself. The boiler plate would be a great way to keep main articles IC, yet make it easy for people to find the original material in a separate namespace. As I am a historian IRL you can possibly guess that it almost physically pains we to change as much as a typo in any source, yet all texts - including Holocron articles - have a specific audience and intention, and this rather requires a moderate and careful rewrite. I am glad that so many people are concerned about this, aware of the problem and willing to work on a soluton that tries to be true to the source and the intention of the Holocron. I have to say that I am also a lot more relaxed about the whole matter now than I was a year ago. I take a look at many, many edits in this wiki. I see how people change names of ships, NPCs etc in articles, for example because they decided it would be more fun to have their IC mother named "Lara" than "Sandi" (or vice verse). So replacing "faction" with something more IC in a source document - when done carefully - is by now way down on my list of concerns when it coems to historical consistency of our universe as depicted in the Holocron. We will never be able to police all those edits, even if we wanted to. We can ask people to be reasonable. But we have to keep in mind that our main focus is story telling and giving orientation, not factual information as a "normal" encyclopedia. Yes, we also try to record and sometimes write the history of the universe we play in and this calls for some good practice, just as for a real life historian, but we will not be able to train those standards into all our users and editors and it will sometimes be at odds with the purpose of story telling. As this is not only a problem of documents, but also other OOC material that is included because of its exceptional importance, I decided to set up a namespace "OOC" and "OOC_Talk" for the respective talk pages.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 16:21, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:::So what kind of articles should go to OOC namespace? Would the original [[Mindabaal League Charter]] go there and the holocron-ified version stay in (main) namespace? Would [[Combine Commander]] and similar articles be moved into OOC namespace? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 21:13, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
::::That is the idea. Let's try it and see, if it works.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:23, 12 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== new infobox race variant ==<br />
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I've made a conditional variant of infobox race. Please have a look at it and let me know what you think. <br /><br />
The template can be found at [[Template:Infobox_Race/v2]], and I've switched infobox on [[Hapan]] page to showcase it. Basically what it does now is omit any field without information. <br /><br />
I'm not really happy with how the known members work, but for now left it mostly intact. <br /><br />
Now that the template is conditional other fields could be added for various species, see http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Species for an example... --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 14:25, 5 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
:That looks great. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:30, 6 September 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== multiple ship infobox templates in use / modifications to one of them ==<br />
This was already discussed earlier this year on [[Talk:Holocron:ToDo#Different_Ship_Templates]], but I guess not everyone has seen it. We currently have '''FIVE''' templates for ships: {{tl|Infobox ship}}, {{tl|Infobox Ship}}, {{tl|Starfighter-Current}}, {{tl|Freighter-Current}}, and {{tl|Special-Ship}}! First FOUR are (almost) identical!<br /><br />
It was agreed that we should use one. [[User:Rupert Havok]] created the latest ({{tl|Infobox Ship}}) and attempted to unify everything in one template. I have further modified the template adding a few fields and making it conditional, i.e. if fields are left empty they will not show on the page that uses template. Please review my modifications - {{tl|Infobox Ship/v2}}, before they are implemented in the main template. Example Infobox can be seen in [[Pulsar Battle Cruiser]] article.<br /><br />
Further modification I've considered, but did not implement at this time - displaying amount of escape pods, medical room and various other characteristics like hangar/docking bay, repulsor etc. <br /><br />
Once changes are reviewed and further modifications are implemented and tested, I would like to ask Rupert, who may or may not use special bot script to replace other templates in all ship pages. Or we can divide ship classes and do it manually... --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 04:25, 9 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
:I've added a few more fields and moved some fields around. <br />
:Still unsure about the field/variable "affiliation" - IMHO a ship class can be associated with multiple factions... What the SWC rules page means is "owner of the datacard" - does anyone have suggestions as to how to phrase that sort of entry in an IC encyclopedia? Manufacturer doesn't quite cut it... Designer? Blueprint owner?<br />
:Anyways I would like some feedback before replacing all of the ship templates with this one. <br />
:Also any thoughts on whether or not we want to include fields from {{tl|Special-Ship}} and thus remove all but one templates? --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 19:13, 29 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== article deletion discussion ==<br />
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Do "we" want to setup a special page for discussing article and file deletion suggestions?<br /><br />
At the moment many deletion suggestions do not provide any reason at all, and getting involved in discussion of deletion is somewhat complicated with admin and whoever wants to get involved needing to discuss it on the talk page of each article/file. Maybe having a centralized location would allow for better visibility and participation.<br /><br />
Also as some of you may have noticed I've modified {{tl|delete}} to include a reason for deletion right in the header. The usage is simple: <nowiki>{{delete|This file is unused.}}</nowiki> --[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 19:21, 29 October 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== recruitment links ==<br />
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I was contacted by an SWC member and asked about organisation recruitment links in the personal pages. <br /><br />
It seems Infinite Empire is doing stub profiles of their people and adding recruitment links to them. Here are some of the examples:<br /><br />
* [[Amdaren Hakaari]]<br />
* [[Adin Cole]]<br />
* [[Alana Barrr]]<br />
* [[Jaren Maximus]]<br />
* [[Ra Kursadati]] and so on...<br />
What do you think about it? Do or don't? <br /><br />
Personally I don't think it's (1) neutral and (2) something you would find in an encyclopedia.<br /><br />
--[[User:Xesh Randell|Xesh Randell]] 13:55, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:I agree that it is something that doesn't fit on Holocron, even less so on one-line articles. Its like cheap spam advertising.<br />
:--[[User:Lilith Delcroix|Lilith Delcroix]] 14:04, 29 March 2015 (GMT)<br />
:My first impulse was to agree, but I actually find it quite clever, how it makes the Holocron interact with Darkness. Maybe we should even use this more. But then it should become a standard that is applied to all people, facions and possibly other objects. Why not work it into the character and faction template? I would not see any fault with a last section (maybe even witha button appearance) that say either "Contact [character]" or "Join [faction]". It would make the Holocron more interactive and better integrated with Darkness. And if it is a standard efature of the template it is not breaking format as much as it does now.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 16:10, 29 March 2015 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=56559Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-12-02T20:12:56Z<p>Dreighton: /* Suggestions */</p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] --[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Ankha Natanaele]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:58, 29 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Tomas o`Cuinn]] --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 04:37, 5 October 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Dark Skies Gearworks]] --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 04:39, 5 October 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for January 2015<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] <br />
:Supporter:<br />
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* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] <br />
:Supporter:<br />
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* [[Ankha Natanaele]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::-[[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 23:58, 30 November 2014 (GMT)<br />
::-[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 20:11, 2 December 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Tomas o`Cuinn]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::-[[User:Syn|Syn]] 23:36, 26 November 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Dark Skies Gearworks]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for December 2014 will be [[Eric Jackson]]. --[[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 07:29, 25 November 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
==Being Featured Multiple Times==<br />
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The Hapes article has already been featured, but is listed to be potentially featured again. It's first time, was a little over a year ago. Should we allow articles to be featured more than once? If so, should there be a maximum amount of times which an article may be featured? Should there be a requisite time period between each time? I'm just curious if we should set a precedence for this, before its necessary. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:48, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:On the RL wiki, articles tend to be rated and put in to categories based on their quality, yes? And they can decline in quality over time due to rewrites and so forth. Since we don't have that there isn't really anything determining, apart from the votes we give when an article is nominated, whether or not an article truly qualifies to be featured. In my personal opinion, if an article is to be featured for a second (or third, etc) time, then there ought to be a discussion - or proof put forth - regarding what significant changes have been made to the article to improve or expand upon it since the last time. I figure part of the reason the Hapes article was featured in the first place was due to the fact that it was one of the first longer in-depth articles put up on the Holocron (probably before we even voted on such.) But at the moment there are many other articles that surpass it in quality. Not to mention the fact that the Hapes article has not undergone any real major changes since 2011, and is quite outdated on several key points. To even warrant being featured a second time - and this time actually earn it - it would need a serious overhaul. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 23:52, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::Totally agreement with Alex here. As long as we apply the metric "Has this article undergone significant changes since last nominated/was featured?" we do not have to mess with tracking the time between articles. If someone wants to feature Hapes again, they should include an explanation of why it meets the "significant changes" condition and then we all vote as usual. If you are not convinced by that person's argument, or are persuaded that one of the other nominated articles is better, than do not vote for Hapes. In my opinion, this should be done for ALL articles nominated. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 01:04, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:Do we have a stub to immediately check whether an article is previously featured (there's a star on the upper right side for Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken) and when? This should at make nomination a bit easier.--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 01:33, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::There's a white Thumbs Up image at the top right of the page; you can see it on the Hapes page so that really shouldn't be included in the vote without justification. The feature date is only listed if you actually click on it but it was only about a year ago. --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 09:38, 1 September 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=56558Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-12-02T20:12:01Z<p>Dreighton: /* Vote */</p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
<br />
As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
<br />
* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] --[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Ankha Natanaele]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:58, 29 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Tomas o`Cuinn]] --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 04:37, 5 October 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Dark Skies Gearworks]] --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 04:39, 5 October 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for January 2015<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] <br />
:Supporter:<br />
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* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] <br />
:Supporter:<br />
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* [[Ankha Natanaele]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::-[[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 23:58, 30 November 2014 (GMT)<br />
::-[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 20:11, 2 December 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Tomas o`Cuinn]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::-[[User:Syn|Syn]] 23:36, 26 November 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Dark Skies Gearworks]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for December 2014 will be [[Eric Jackson]]. --[[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 07:29, 25 November 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
==Being Featured Multiple Times==<br />
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The Hapes article has already been featured, but is listed to be potentially featured again. It's first time, was a little over a year ago. Should we allow articles to be featured more than once? If so, should there be a maximum amount of times which an article may be featured? Should there be a requisite time period between each time? I'm just curious if we should set a precedence for this, before its necessary. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:48, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:On the RL wiki, articles tend to be rated and put in to categories based on their quality, yes? And they can decline in quality over time due to rewrites and so forth. Since we don't have that there isn't really anything determining, apart from the votes we give when an article is nominated, whether or not an article truly qualifies to be featured. In my personal opinion, if an article is to be featured for a second (or third, etc) time, then there ought to be a discussion - or proof put forth - regarding what significant changes have been made to the article to improve or expand upon it since the last time. I figure part of the reason the Hapes article was featured in the first place was due to the fact that it was one of the first longer in-depth articles put up on the Holocron (probably before we even voted on such.) But at the moment there are many other articles that surpass it in quality. Not to mention the fact that the Hapes article has not undergone any real major changes since 2011, and is quite outdated on several key points. To even warrant being featured a second time - and this time actually earn it - it would need a serious overhaul. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 23:52, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::Totally agreement with Alex here. As long as we apply the metric "Has this article undergone significant changes since last nominated/was featured?" we do not have to mess with tracking the time between articles. If someone wants to feature Hapes again, they should include an explanation of why it meets the "significant changes" condition and then we all vote as usual. If you are not convinced by that person's argument, or are persuaded that one of the other nominated articles is better, than do not vote for Hapes. In my opinion, this should be done for ALL articles nominated. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 01:04, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:Do we have a stub to immediately check whether an article is previously featured (there's a star on the upper right side for Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken) and when? This should at make nomination a bit easier.--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 01:33, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::There's a white Thumbs Up image at the top right of the page; you can see it on the Hapes page so that really shouldn't be included in the vote without justification. The feature date is only listed if you actually click on it but it was only about a year ago. --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 09:38, 1 September 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=56557Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-12-02T20:11:47Z<p>Dreighton: /* Vote */</p>
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] --[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Ankha Natanaele]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:58, 29 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Tomas o`Cuinn]] --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 04:37, 5 October 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Dark Skies Gearworks]] --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 04:39, 5 October 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for January 2015<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] <br />
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* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] <br />
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* [[Ankha Natanaele]]<br />
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* [[Tomas o`Cuinn]]<br />
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* [[Dark Skies Gearworks]]<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for December 2014 will be [[Eric Jackson]]. --[[User:Fures Nocti|Fures Nocti]] 07:29, 25 November 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
==Being Featured Multiple Times==<br />
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The Hapes article has already been featured, but is listed to be potentially featured again. It's first time, was a little over a year ago. Should we allow articles to be featured more than once? If so, should there be a maximum amount of times which an article may be featured? Should there be a requisite time period between each time? I'm just curious if we should set a precedence for this, before its necessary. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:48, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:On the RL wiki, articles tend to be rated and put in to categories based on their quality, yes? And they can decline in quality over time due to rewrites and so forth. Since we don't have that there isn't really anything determining, apart from the votes we give when an article is nominated, whether or not an article truly qualifies to be featured. In my personal opinion, if an article is to be featured for a second (or third, etc) time, then there ought to be a discussion - or proof put forth - regarding what significant changes have been made to the article to improve or expand upon it since the last time. I figure part of the reason the Hapes article was featured in the first place was due to the fact that it was one of the first longer in-depth articles put up on the Holocron (probably before we even voted on such.) But at the moment there are many other articles that surpass it in quality. Not to mention the fact that the Hapes article has not undergone any real major changes since 2011, and is quite outdated on several key points. To even warrant being featured a second time - and this time actually earn it - it would need a serious overhaul. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 23:52, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::Totally agreement with Alex here. As long as we apply the metric "Has this article undergone significant changes since last nominated/was featured?" we do not have to mess with tracking the time between articles. If someone wants to feature Hapes again, they should include an explanation of why it meets the "significant changes" condition and then we all vote as usual. If you are not convinced by that person's argument, or are persuaded that one of the other nominated articles is better, than do not vote for Hapes. In my opinion, this should be done for ALL articles nominated. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 01:04, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:Do we have a stub to immediately check whether an article is previously featured (there's a star on the upper right side for Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken) and when? This should at make nomination a bit easier.--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 01:33, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::There's a white Thumbs Up image at the top right of the page; you can see it on the Hapes page so that really shouldn't be included in the vote without justification. The feature date is only listed if you actually click on it but it was only about a year ago. --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 09:38, 1 September 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=54794Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-09-24T22:43:44Z<p>Dreighton: /* Vote */</p>
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] --[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Adri`ana Salvatore]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:58, 29 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Ankha Natanaele]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:58, 29 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for November 2014<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] <br />
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* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] <br />
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* [[Adri`ana Salvatore]]<br />
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::-[[User:Syn|Syn]] 23:03, 19 September 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:43, 24 September 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Ankha Natanaele]]<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for October 2014 will be [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:35, 19 September 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
==Being Featured Multiple Times==<br />
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The Hapes article has already been featured, but is listed to be potentially featured again. It's first time, was a little over a year ago. Should we allow articles to be featured more than once? If so, should there be a maximum amount of times which an article may be featured? Should there be a requisite time period between each time? I'm just curious if we should set a precedence for this, before its necessary. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:48, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:On the RL wiki, articles tend to be rated and put in to categories based on their quality, yes? And they can decline in quality over time due to rewrites and so forth. Since we don't have that there isn't really anything determining, apart from the votes we give when an article is nominated, whether or not an article truly qualifies to be featured. In my personal opinion, if an article is to be featured for a second (or third, etc) time, then there ought to be a discussion - or proof put forth - regarding what significant changes have been made to the article to improve or expand upon it since the last time. I figure part of the reason the Hapes article was featured in the first place was due to the fact that it was one of the first longer in-depth articles put up on the Holocron (probably before we even voted on such.) But at the moment there are many other articles that surpass it in quality. Not to mention the fact that the Hapes article has not undergone any real major changes since 2011, and is quite outdated on several key points. To even warrant being featured a second time - and this time actually earn it - it would need a serious overhaul. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 23:52, 18 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::Totally agreement with Alex here. As long as we apply the metric "Has this article undergone significant changes since last nominated/was featured?" we do not have to mess with tracking the time between articles. If someone wants to feature Hapes again, they should include an explanation of why it meets the "significant changes" condition and then we all vote as usual. If you are not convinced by that person's argument, or are persuaded that one of the other nominated articles is better, than do not vote for Hapes. In my opinion, this should be done for ALL articles nominated. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 01:04, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:Do we have a stub to immediately check whether an article is previously featured (there's a star on the upper right side for Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken) and when? This should at make nomination a bit easier.--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 01:33, 19 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::There's a white Thumbs Up image at the top right of the page; you can see it on the Hapes page so that really shouldn't be included in the vote without justification. The feature date is only listed if you actually click on it but it was only about a year ago. --[[User:Syn|Syn]] 09:38, 1 September 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Jaster_Frey&diff=52468Jaster Frey2014-07-19T18:51:26Z<p>Dreighton: Undo revision 36573 by Jaster Frey (talk)</p>
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<div>Jaster is a Mon Calamari pilot, smuggler, and small time trader.</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Wonders_of_the_Galaxy&diff=52413Talk:Wonders of the Galaxy2014-07-19T16:17:26Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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<div>===Wonders or Points of Interest===<br />
Some questions about this list, though it might be best to ask admins. Are space stations like the Maw Research Installation and The Wheel actually considered wonders, or are they more like points of interest? Similarly, the B`omarr Monastery: That's been on the facility list since long before Wonders were added. I'm just wondering whether it's actually classified as a Wonder, or if it's just included here because it's 20x20. <br />
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To my knowledge, the Royal Hapan Palace is not technically classified as a Wonder, probably because Hapes didn't want to set it open to all. I'm okay with all these being included here if we are going with a general concept of wonders, but if we are working within some parameters set by the admins, we should probably reconsider the list. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 03:38, 17 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
:There is no such thing like a "wonder" building type, so - at least to my knowledge - there is no parameters set by admins we could easily base a list on, so this is good enough.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 16:17, 19 July 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=52282Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-07-18T22:11:29Z<p>Dreighton: /* Vote */</p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]] --[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Black Sun]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 02:53, 16 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for August 2014<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]] <br />
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* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] <br />
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* [[Black Sun]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] <br />
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::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:11, 18 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for August 2014 will be [[Cheda Quche]].--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:11, 18 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=52281Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-07-18T22:11:10Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]] --[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Black Sun]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 02:53, 16 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for August 2014<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]] <br />
:Supporter:<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]] <br />
:Supporter:<br />
* [[Black Sun]] --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] <br />
:Supporter:<br />
--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:11, 18 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for August 2014 will be [[Cheda Quche]].--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:11, 18 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=51460Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-07-04T21:01:13Z<p>Dreighton: /* Next featured article */</p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]]--[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Cheda Quche]]--[[User:Syn|Syn]] 01:46, 11 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for August 2014<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:22, 24 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Het Patchateeka|Het Patchateeka]] 15:32, 3 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Cheda Quche]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Syn|Syn]] 02:56, 25 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User: Elvira Falston|Elvira Falston]] 11:28, 25 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--Erek 22:23, 28 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Squall Chitose|Squall Chitose]] 18:28, 29 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 19:11, 29 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for July 2014 will be [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]].--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:22, 24 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
::Created a page for his featured article. --[[User: Elvira Falston|Elvira Falston]] 15:12, 2 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::Thanks!--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 4 July 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=51088Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-06-24T22:22:05Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]]--[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Cheda Quche]]--[[User:Syn|Syn]] 01:46, 11 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for August 2014<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:22, 24 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Cheda Quche]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
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==Next featured article==<br />
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The featured article for July 2014 will be [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]].--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 22:22, 24 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Xalitus_Swindler&diff=50652Xalitus Swindler2014-06-01T22:07:14Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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<div>{{Infobox Character<br />
| name = Xalitus Swindler<br />
| image = [[File:Purplehair.jpg|275px]]<br />
| homeworld = [[Falleen]]<br />
| race = [[Falleen]]<br />
| mother = Xora<br />
| father = Zurros<br />
| spouse = [[Finar Ambrose]]<br />
| siblings = <br />
| children = None<br />
| Age = 53<br />
| died = <br />
| gender = [[:Category:Females|Female]]<br />
| height = 5' 3"<br />
| coloring = Green<br />
| affiliation = [[Dark Star Hellions]]<br />
| rank =<br />
| positions = Hellions Original Enforcer and personal bodyguard of Ximaro Jix [[Dark Star Hellions]]<br />
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== Description==<br />
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Standing at 5'3" Xalitus is more dangerous than she seems. With purple hair and red eyes, she is usually seen in leather and her Hellion cut. She wears awesome boots and always has a blade at her side.<br />
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==History==<br />
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Xalitus was born on the planet of Falleen to parents Zurros and Xora. They cherished their little girl, but she noticed at an early age that all was not as it should be. Her father regularly beat her mother, which Xalitus found uncomfortable to watch. She decided there and then that no man would ever treat her that way. With that in mind at the young age of 8, Xalitus decided to leave home.<br />
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Xalitus set up her own home in a remote location, fending for herself and learning how to hunt her own food. Some times it paid off, other times she was left hungry. <br />
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One day she was saddened, hungry and growing close to despair when a stranger appeared. Xalitus was unsure, not having much to do with the galaxy at large, but he introduced himself as Wolf Saigon and on seeing her he offered her food. Xalitus was grateful for the gesture and accepted, although it was against her nature. She somehow felt she could trust him. Xalitus and Wolf talked for some time and they decided that they could both achieve more by working as a team. From that moment on they considered each other brother and sister. They would defend each other to the death, they pledged.<br />
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==City Life==<br />
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7 years later Xalitus and Wolf travelled to the city where they intended to "hunt". This wasn't a killing expedition but to steal to gain money for food and essential items. Xalitus could lure males of all races easily with her Falleen pheromones, charm and wit,and was a successful pickpocket while Wolf would also use that distraction to relieve them of their goods.<br />
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One night as they decided to call it a day, they heard a commotion, someone running towards them.the stranger asked them for assistance against some pirates. At first they weren't so sure...it could have been a trap. The they saw the pirates appear..armed and dangerous...they had no choice but to fight. In a short while they had overcome the pirates and finally got round to being introduced. The stranger was injured but light-hearted, "still got another eye that works, thanks for helping me out there, names Xank Cro'lok", he said. Wolf shook his hand, "I am Wolf Saigon and this is my sister Xalitus". Xalitus was immediately impressed and helped to clean his wounds from the onslaught.<br />
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==Moving On==<br />
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The three kept a close eye on each other, always on the look out for people who wanted to hurt them, always hunting for survival. They grew closer until one night an incident occurred, when they were caught in a Rebel ambush. Wolf did his best to hide Xalitus but Xank was caught and arrested by the imperials. Wolf tried to console his sister, but secretly did not know if they would see him again. They had to adapt to being a twosome again, which was not hard as they trusted each other implicitly, but they missed their friend.<br />
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==Caught==<br />
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Xalitus and Wolf tried to go about their business but it still troubled them about what had happened to Xank. Rebels had been attacking in force to help their comrades. It struck the pair, almost foolishly..a way to see if their friend was held captive...get stormtrooper armour and pretend to be imperials..it was risky , but worth it they thought. They kidnapped troopers and stole their armour with ease but the imperial army were prepared due to the invasion and attacks by the rebels. A fight broke out leaving Xank for dead. Xalitus and Wolf made their escape.<br />
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==Ximaro==<br />
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[[File:Sexy pic.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Xalitus the Hellion]]<br />
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[[Category:Falleen]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=50648Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-06-01T21:14:24Z<p>Dreighton: /* Suggestions */</p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Falleen Federation]]--[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Hapes_Consortium|Hapes Consortium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:14, 1 June 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for July 2014<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 11:28, 10 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 14:30, 10 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 17:22, 10 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 03:49, 21 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 14:51, 10 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Het Patchateeka|Het Patchateeka]] 18:14, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 13:58:, 12 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Falleen Federation]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Nikai Tonnak|Nikai Tonnak]] 6:30, 11 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
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Since it's May, I presume that means [[Elvira Falston]] is the featured article.<br />
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The idea was that votes should be open for 1 month and that polls are closed mid month, so that we know the next featured article in advance. But we still have to get into this rhythm. My suggestion is that the current article (Elvira Falston) stays up until July 1st and the votes for the next featured articles start now and are closed on June 15th. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 03:20, 2 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
: I'd agree. --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 03:49, 21 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Holocron:Featured_Articles/2014/June&diff=50636Holocron:Featured Articles/2014/June2014-06-01T12:10:09Z<p>Dreighton: Created page with "left '''Elvira Falston''', also known by her Sith name '''Darth Surra''', is an ambitious Coruscanti woman who has served in..."</p>
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<div>[[Image:Ladysurrasmall.png|link=Elvira Falston|left]] '''[[Elvira Falston]]''', also known by her Sith name '''Darth Surra''', is an ambitious Coruscanti woman who has served in both the [[Imperial Army]] and [[Imperial Intelligence]]. She has held several positions throughout her career and is generally considered to be intelligent and competent but stubborn and zealous. She has served in the Empire for many years but rarely mingles with other Imperials, instead dedicating herself entirely to her work. An expert in galactic politics and intel, she has played a role in many operations and political events across the galaxy. Between the years 13 and 15, she played a large role in the writing and distribution of Imperial propaganda, having been involved in the writing process of every article released by the Empire. She is the current Director of Imperial Intelligence and holds a seat on the Council of the [[Order of the Sith]], first as honourary member, later as Lord Inquisitor. ([[Elvira Falston|Full article...]])<br />
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<noinclude>[[Category:Featured Article Intros|{{PAGENAME}}]]</noinclude></div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=49858Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-05-10T11:28:02Z<p>Dreighton: /* Vote */</p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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This is the Vote for the featured article for July 2014<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]<br />
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Since it's May, I presume that means [[Elvira Falston]] is the featured article --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 03:20, 2 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
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The idea was that votes should be open for 1 month and that polls are closed mid month, so that we know the next featured article in advance. But we still have to get into this rhythm. My suggestion is that the current article (Elvira Falston) stays up until July 1st and the votes for the next featured articles start now and are closed on June 15th.<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=49857Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-05-10T11:20:02Z<p>Dreighton: /* Suggestions */</p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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* [[Elvira Falston]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Venari Haliat|Venari Haliat]] 03:59, 17 April 2014 Venari Haliat<br />
::--[[Vernon Foxtail]] 04:59, 17 April 2014 (CST)<br />
::--[[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 06:29, 18 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:08, 18 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 01:18, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 06:02, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::--[[User:Het Patchateeka|Het Patchateeka]] 16:32, 18 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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Since it's May, I presume that means [[Elvira Falston]] is the featured article --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 03:20, 2 May 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&diff=49856MediaWiki:Sidebar2014-05-10T11:10:16Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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<div>==New Selection Process==<br />
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Elvira Falston]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Vote==<br />
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* [[Elvira Falston]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]<br />
:Supporter:<br />
::--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 01:00, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=49161Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-04-17T00:58:32Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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As there was a general agreement that we need a more formal selection process (see below), from now on articles need to go through the following steps:<br />
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* Everyone can suggest articles, please enter them in the "Suggestions" section of this page. Put a link and sign your suggestion.<br />
* On the 15th day of each month all current suggestions will be pasted to the "Vote" section. Every user can give support to one article every month. Every article can be discussed in the "Recent Discussion" section. The article that gets most votes on the 15th of next month will be featured next. <br />
* The article will be deleted from the "suggestions" list as soon as it is featured.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 00:58, 17 April 2014 (GMT) <br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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In this section you can post candidates to be featured. Please do not discuss the suggestions here, so that the list stays short and crisp. You can use the "Recent Discussion" section to talk about articles that are currently voted on.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 00:58, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Elvira Falston]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 00:58, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 00:58, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 00:58, 17 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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* [[Elvira Falston]]<br />
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* [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]]<br />
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* [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]]<br />
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==Recent Discussion==<br />
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==Selection==<br />
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions - Discussion==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Another month is finished, and we need a GOOD featured article again. Are we going for the [[Elvira Falston]]'s? Who is in charge to update the featured articles? --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 12:16, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::::: The consensus process kind of broke down after the Tex Navos/Doc Jessa/Ignatius Paak incident. See the [[Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles#Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?|ongoing discussion below]]. I think we are waiting for Dreighton to implement the proposed selection system for featured articles. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 23:20, 1 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::: Let's use a prior featured article as a placeholder because that red link in the front page may just be tempting for some people to just add their own articles --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 00:00, 2 April 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::::::: I am for this as long as we use Feb's article. I think its best we erase March and put this unfortunate incident behind us, which reflects us collectively dropping the ball.<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:: We're doing monthly featured articles so we won't have that much clutter compared to Wikipedia. Like Kyran mentioned, if the interface for browsing is as smooth as Wikipedia's, then I support it as well. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:: I agree with the outcry, from a contributor standpoint. I absolutely think it should be against the rules for anyone who is not a Holocron administrator to unilaterally feature an article without consensus. Further, I think someone unilaterally featuring ''their own'' article should be completely disallowed. Previous character, or current character, I think it sets a horribly messy new precedent. Do I think people should be able to suggest their bios? Absolutely. However, Lilith spoke to Rupert to get approval and advice. I did the same. Others are doing the same. A precedent was already set, and not followed. <br><br>The holocron is ultimately about community and consensus. There was no community involvement in this decision, and there was no consensus. This leads to the ability to "feature" articles which can be very poor examples of proper editing, roleplay, construction, etc. It removes the polishing aspect, which I believe is exceptionally important if these articles are supposed to represent the best we've got. For example, excluding very few things within the Tex Navos article (Dark Skies Gearworks, her relationship with some PCs), 90% of the article content post-character creation was entirely made up without ever being roleplayed or established. There is an entire section godmodding the Galactic Empire having abandoned a Destroyer, and Renegade Imperials attacking her that was never RP'd in an Empire approved scenario. She managed to godmod the Galactic Government, and we're saying this is okay. Had this article been examined by Holocron administration, I'd like to think that would have been a major issue. For a community based on proper RP, this definitely is not an example of, "the best articles the Holocron has to offer." It's an example of what people should '''not''' do. But there was no ability for people to point that out, because a unilateral decision was made.<br><br>As to the holocron lacking a process for making this decision, it does not. The primary Featured Article Holocron page states, "They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles. Before being listed here, articles should be reviewed as for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style. To suggest a featured article, please post a message on the discussion page." The discussion page, is of course this one. People are already expected to lobby or suggest articles they think are worthy. People are already given an outlet to suggest their work, and the work of others. People are already allowed to discuss ideas with the Holocron admin and their fellows. The process works - this is just an instance of a community member thinking they're above it. <br><br>I think the outcry is fitting, given that others have followed the outlined process, and spoken with the community and with Rupert. The outcry is fitting, given that those who followed the rules were not featured, and someone who tossed the rules to the side was featured without pause. The precedent this instance sets is that the process is broken, and that this one community member is above the others who have followed the rules dilligently. Neither of these things are true. Honestly, I think the current Featured Article should be removed, the editor given a slap on the wrist, and the community suggestion process - which has successfully progressed thus far under Rupert's watchful eye - be allowed to persist. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 14:42, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::: Looks like we need to formalize the criteria (point to the guidelines if they already exist on the Holocron on issues that Kyran mentioned like godmodding), nomination and selection process. For reference, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Wikipedia's featured article criteria]. Wikipedia's featured article candidate nomination allows for support/oppose votes along with comments on the same issues that should have been caught with the current featured article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 16:46, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Kyran on a number of things. The selections thus far have been wonderful, with bios including numerous descriptions of real events in appropriate detail (no or very little godmodding). I believe that the selection process should be clearly defined and each article should be selected a few weeks in advance to prevent a blank Featured Article section at the start of a month. Each suggested article examined for errors and godmodding. I also like the idea of your selection process Jennifer, having people vote on it. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 16:53, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::Definitely agree with the sentiment that this article DOES NOT meet the standards we want to set for a holocron article. A few months ago, one of the other editors(Orph or Tylger) lobbied for one of their own articles. We all accepted that article because it met holocron standards for style and quality. This article does NONE of that and reads more like a badly written RP. I like Dreighton's suggestion about the process and that we should adopt it. In the meantime the Tex Navos article should be removed from featured, and even flagged , as it does not conform to holocron standards. -- [[User:Prard`aga Rono|Prard`aga Rono]] 16:57, 2 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::Is is okay if I remove the article from Featured until we have a new article?<br />
::::I'd say yes. The current article is a terrible example. I've suggested Elvira Falston a couple times. It could be a good filler if we don't want a blank page. But I'd rather a blank page than the current RP-fest. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 17:14, 5 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
:::::I'm in agreement that the current one should be removed. No complaints about Elvira's article. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 02:35, 6 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
::::I believe it should be. As a side note this player has put his another of his articles up before without asking about it here: [[Ignatius Paak]]. Although he could have gotten permission by asking a staff member. I think a new Holocron: page should be made for voting and the criteria. --[[User:Evelyn Reighner|Evelyn Reighner]] 05:26, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::I agree with Dreighton's suggested process for Featured Articles. I also agree with most of the concerns posted here by others. As for me, my primary worry was that &mdash; unless a protocol is established &mdash; we eventually might have a large number of random editors warring over whose character will be featured for a certain month. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 21:07, 7 March 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: Given that it's a new month, perhaps the section should be created for suggestions, voting, etc? --[[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 01:31, 4 April 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:Holocron:Featured_Articles&diff=48170Talk:Holocron:Featured Articles2014-03-02T12:55:58Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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I have a few issues with both featured articles:<br />
# Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.<br />
# Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.<br />
# Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?<br />
--[[User:Xanyarr Chyakk|Xanyarr Chyakk]] 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --[[User:Alex Tylger|Alex Tylger]] 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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: The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...<br />
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::The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be [[Siejo Kutol]], which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect [[The Avance Coalition]] to be up in the near future as well. [[Orphaea Imperium|my own article]] is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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::: Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created [[:Template:Featured Article|a template]] for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. [[User:Horthon Gorthy|Horthon Gorthy]] 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==List Issues==<br />
Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) [[User:Veynom|Veynom]] 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)<br />
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==Article Suggestions==<br />
Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --[[User:Raith Starlight|Raith Starlight]] 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)<br />
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::Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]]<br />
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:::Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, [[Vorsia Companion]] seems to be a decent candidate... -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: [[Elvira Falston]] seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The [[New Republic]] article also seems on its way. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::::: Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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:::: So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- [[User:Wolfgang von Schlavendorf|Wolfgang von Schlavendorf]] 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the [[Baobab Merchant Fleet]] article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --[[User:Ruben Wan|Ruben Wan]] 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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::::: [[Black Sun]] is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think [[Elvira Falston]] is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)<br />
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==Changing the presentation style of this page==<br />
Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013 an Archive page] and also a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles broader Categories] page... Thoughts? -- [[User:Rupert Havok|Rupert Havok]] 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)<br />
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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)<br />
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==<br />
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.<br />
<br />
Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.<br />
The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?<br />
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Imperial_Navy&diff=45252Imperial Navy2014-01-13T18:52:14Z<p>Dreighton: /* Year 0 */</p>
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The '''Imperial Navy''', also known as the '''Imperial Starfleet''', '''Imperial Fleet''', '''Imperial Battlefleet''', or '''Imperial Space Service''', is the naval branch of the [[Imperial Military]]. It fields thousands of warships and [[Starfighter|fighters]], and fuelled by its numerous staff of dedicated [[Imperial Officers|officers]] and loyal [[Imperial Fighter Pilot|pilots]], has long been the harbinger of peace and justice throughout the [[galaxy]].<br />
The mainstays of its [[fleets]] - the [[Imperial Star Destroyer I|Star Destroyer]] and [[Super Star Destroyer]] [[capital ships]] and the [[TIE Series|TIE fighter series]] of [[starfighters]] - became some of the most visible symbols of [[Imperial]] rule to the [[galaxy]]'s civilian populace.<br />
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==Introduction==<br />
The Navy has grown enormously since the decline of the [[Old Republic]], but its mission has largely stayed the same: to free the system space of member worlds from hazards to profitable commerce, to assure the safety of member worlds from attack from outside forces, and to bolster the planetary governments in times of crisis. The Imperial Navy works closely with the [[Imperial Army|Army]] performing orbital bombardments, transporting major ground force deployments, and supporting them with space and aerial support.<br />
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The Imperial Navy was formed from the Republic Navy around [http://rules.swcombine.com/?Timeframe#Combine_Galactic_Time Year -4] during the rise of the Empire. A reorganized command structure oversaw the rapid expansion of the fleet that had begun during the [[Clone Wars]]. Some innovations were brought during this time, as the creation of the [[Grand Admiral]] rank. The Imperial Navy conducts itself by the [[Imperial Codex]] and the regulations written in the Navy Manual.<br />
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==Naval Command==<br />
Naval Command, commonly abbreviated to NCOMD and previously known as Naval High Command (NHC), is the leading body of the Imperial Navy. The Naval [[Commanding Officer]] is the highest level position within the group (although not necessarily the highest ranking officer), and typically reports to and sits on the [[Imperial High Command]].<br />
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===Current NCOMD===<br />
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* [[Lord Admiral]] [[Senki Blackrain]] (Navy [[Commanding Officer]]) <br />
* [[Vice Admiral]] [[OVERMIND]] (Navy [[Executive Officer]])<br />
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===Former NCOMD Members===<br />
* [[Hack Skice]]<br />
* [[Adar Machkhit]]<br />
* [[Endorph Morbelis]]<br />
* [[Ramos Rob]]<br />
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* [[Zachary Savk]]<br />
* [[Grand Admiral]] [[SunTzu]] ''(Year -4)''<br />
* [[Grand Admiral]] [[Piett]] ''(Year 0)''<br />
* [[Grand Admiral]] [[Gorn Veynom]] ''(Year 1 to Year 2)''<br />
* [[Fleet Admiral]] [[Simms]] ''(Year 2)''<br />
* [[Grand Admiral]] [[Cherokee]] ''(Year 2)''<br />
* [[Lord Admiral]] [[IWAssassin]] ''(Year 2)''<br />
* [[Lord Admiral]] [[Tj]] ''(Year 2 to Year 3)''<br />
* [[Vice Admiral]] [[OVERMIND]] ''(Year 3)''<br />
* [[Grand Admiral]] [[Black Lodge]] ''(Year 4 to Year 5)''<br />
* [[Admiral]] [[Gunther von Esling]] ''(Year 5)''<br />
* [[Lord Admiral]] [[Tj]] ''(Year 5)''<br />
* [[Admiral]] [[Zerk]] ''(Year 5)''<br />
* [[Vice Admiral]] [[Angelus Goth]] ''(Year 6)''<br />
* [[Admiral]] [[Crog]] ''(Year 6 to Year 7)''<br />
* [[Fleet Admiral]] [[Samurai]] ''(Year 7)''<br />
* [[Fleet Admiral]] [[Slicer]] ''(Year 7 to Year 9)''<br />
* [[Admiral]] [[Calor Assam]] ''(Year 9 to Year 10)''<br />
* [[Admiral]] [[Angelus Goth]] ''(Year 10)''<br />
* [[Vice Admiral]] [[Axe Vulcan]] ''(Year 10 to Year 11)''<br />
* [[Lord Admiral]] [[Senki Blackrain]] ''(Year 11 - Present)''<br />
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===Changes in Civilian Command Structure===<br />
Planetary governments had the right to call upon the Navy of the [[Old Republic]] in emergencies.<br />
Since the disbanding of the Senate, the Navy is no longer required to respond to requests from planetary governments, including the planetary governors appointed by the Empire. Under new doctrine, individual planets are too insignificant to allow them direct control over an asset as important as the Imperial Navy, even for short periods of time.<br />
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Civilian orders are now transmitted at the level of the Sector Group, from regional [[Moffs]], [[Grand Moff]], or the [[Emperor]] himself, and always with the knowledge of [[Naval Command]]. Smaller units are to receive their orders only from officers in the proper chain of command. This is a definite change from the Republican Navy, when Senators or other politically powerful beings could directly commandeer naval vessels — sometimes entire squadrons — for missions without having the order come down through the chain of command.<br />
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This change has greatly boosted the morale of naval personnel. The [[Imperial Officers|officers]] now know that the strategy is being set at a level of authority which is best suited for seeing the whole picture. Naval commanders have the authority and responsibility to execute their orders in the best manner possible, and they know they shall be free from political interference while doing so.<br />
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==Pilots==<br />
[[Imperial Fighter Pilots|Imperial pilots]] are the mainstay of the Imperial Navy. They are the necessary element in the military branch charged with protecting the space lanes from [[pirates]], [[smugglers]], alien invaders, and [[Rebels]].<br />
The top pilots in the [[galaxy]] are found in the Imperial Navy. These [[Imperial Fighter Pilots|pilots]], following the glorious and time-honored allure established during the Republic, attend the premier academies throughout the [[Empire]]. Within these fine institutions, the [[Empire]] teaches these men duty and promotes the idea of maintaining order, as opposed to defending against aggression.<br />
Each candidate for admission into the rigorous TIE training program must undergo a strenuous screening and testing process. After all, they are being prepared to fly the best [[starfighters]] the [[Empire]] has to offer.<br />
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==Fleets & Structure==<br />
A [[fleet]] is designated as a "sector resource," which means it should be available for action anywhere within the sector. However, current [[fleets]] act both in defensive and offensive missions, protecting their home sector but also hunting the enemy anywhere in the [[galaxy]]. Further information is classified.<br />
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Over time, the Imperial Navy has evolved tremendously and developed several organisational structures in order to achieve the tasks and missions assigned to her.<br />
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===Before Year 0===<br />
Few documents or archives survived from that era but the following official document describes that before Year 0, meaning under the rules of Emperor [[Suntzu]] then [[Vodo Bonias]], the Imperial Navy was composed of three fleets and three Reconnaissance & Strike fleets. All six fleets reported directly to the Grand Admiral of the Navy.<br />
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Four additional squadrons also existed but were not attached to any of these fleets and had specific missions like protecting the Emperor.<br />
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[[Image:ImperialNavyStructure_BeforeY0.jpg]]<br />
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===Year 0===<br />
[[Image:COMQUADS.jpg|right|thumb|The new quadrants after the fleet reform.]]<br />
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A change in the Imperial strategy lead by Emperor [[Spytek]] lead to a complete restructuring of the Navy. Grand Admiral [[Piett]] dissolved the Reconnaissance Strike fleets and instead created four fleets, one for each quadrant of the galaxy. Is it during that reorganization that the glorious [[3rd Recon & Strike Fleet]] was dissolved and became the [[Second Assault Fleet|2nd Fleet]].<br />
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The four independent squadrons - Gold, Gamma, Sword, and Omega - were merged into the Imperial Command Fleet whose primary role was escorting the Emperor.<br />
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===Year 1===<br />
This era is often referred to as the Golden Age of the Imperial Navy. With the unstoppable growth of the Empire's territories and sphere of influence, the need for a powerful Navy raised again. Additional fleets were created by Grand Admiral [[Veynom]]. Each controlled sector was assigned a Sector Fleet. The [[3rd Recon & Strike Fleet]] was resurrected to patrol the uncontrolled regions. The [[Naval Command Fleet]] was created to protect [[Kuat]], the headquarters of the Imperial Navy at that time.<br />
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===Year 2===<br />
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===See Also===<br />
*[[:Category:Fleets|A list of the Empire's Fleets]]<br />
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==Rank Structure==<br />
http://www.swc-empire.com/ranks.php<br />
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[[Ranks_of_the_Galactic_Empire| Rank Structure]]<br />
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==Holographics==<br />
* [[Image:Imperial Navy Horizontal Holographic Year 3.gif]] (Year 3)<br />
* [[Image:Imperial Navy Horizontal Holographic Year 3.jpg]] (Year 3)<br />
* [[Image:Imperial Navy Horizontal Holographic Year 4.jpg]] (Year 4)<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Imperial Fighter Pilot]]<br />
*[[:Category:Fleets|A list of the Empire's Fleets]]<br />
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| name = Lynxus Calridian<br />
| image = [[file:Lynxus Calridian.png]]<br />
| homeworld = [[Tatooine]]<br />
| race = [[Alderaanian]]<br />
| mother = Winter Calridian (Deceased)<br />
| father = Huron Alraan (Deceased)<br />
| spouse = Rayne Calridian (Deceased)<br />
| siblings = None<br />
| children = 2, 1 daughter (Deceased), 1 son (Missing)<br />
| born = Year -35, Went missing on year 11<br />
| gender = [[:Category:Males|Male]]<br />
| height = 1.9 meters<br />
| hair color = Bald<br />
| skin color = Tanned<br />
| eye color = Blue<br />
| affiliation = [[Krath Dynasty]]<br />
| rank = Pilot<br />
| positions = Logistics<br />
| prior affiliation = None<br />
| awards = None<br />
}}<br />
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=History=<br />
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==Early Life==<br />
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Lynxus was born on the planet of [[Tatooine]] to the [[Alderaanian]] Huron and the [[Chiss]] Winter. He had a typical life until the age of 10, when his father was murdered by a group of [[Tusken Raiders]]. Soon after, he and his mother left [[Tatooine]] and went to [[Naboo]] to live with his father's sister.<br />
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On Naboo, he met his later wife at the age of 16. She was 13. He fell in love immediately, though she never returned the feeling. A few years after meeting her, men attempted to rob and rape her, which Lynxus prevented, killing the men. At this point, she fell in love and a few weeks later, the two were married.<br />
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On the year of -2, Lynxus went to [[Malastare]] on a mission for the [[Galactic Empire]]. There he found a young [[Dug]], which he rescued from slavery. He bought the young dug for a substantial amount of credits, though he couldn't afford to purchase the young Dugs mother and father. They were left on Malastare.<br />
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He trained this young dug in piloting, much like he was doing. He and the young dug were separated in the year of 4. They had never seen each other since then.<br />
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==Life in Krath==<br />
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===Joining===<br />
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In galactic year 11, Lynxus Calridian came across a transmission from the governmental body of Kathol, Krath Dynasty, while moving stolen goods for a client.<br />
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===Work===<br />
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===Positions===<br />
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===Betrayal===<br />
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===Trial===<br />
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==Events up to his disappearance==<br />
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[[Category:People]]<br />
[[Category: Alderaanians]]<br />
[[Category:Males]]<br />
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===False Betrayal===<br />
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To begin the events leading to his disappearance, there was a great betrayal in the midst of Krath in which he was sucked in to.<br />
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It was an average day for him. He was retrieving and moving property of the [[Krath Dynasty]] in a Capital Class YV-666, doing 3 jobs at a time, which was typical for him. He had not anticipated being pulled into a plot against Krath. A few hours into the job, he received a communication on his Comlink from his friend, [[Dracon Cor]], stating that Krath had betrayed the [[Smugglers Alliance]]. Lynxus was disgusted at the actions that were claimed against the Krath Dynasty: Robbery and abandonment.<br />
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Quickly, Lynxus ran to the docking bay of the YV-666 and boarded his [[Firespray-Class Interceptor]], the [[Void I]], and took flight from the capital ship, believing that Krath would be coming for him next due to his relationship with the Smugglers Alliance. He knew the risks of leaving his post unannounced, and what it would ultimately lead to: him being labeled as a criminal against the Dynasty, and his immediate termination; but he minded not because he was heading off to help his long time friend.<br />
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As he departed, he quickly made communications with Dracon, requesting union with with the Smugglers Alliance for protection. Dracon soon after responded stating that the Smugglers Alliance would be honored to have him join them, which he quickly did. He began moving Ryll and producing Ryll products for the Smugglers Alliance, not knowing what was brewing behind the scenes.<br />
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===Lies Behind the Face===<br />
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As before with Krath, Lynxus worked hard to impress the higher ups in Smugglers Alliance. He did everything he was ordered to do, along with extra just to prove his worth. Slowly, however, he noticed changes in his friend Dracon's personality towards him. Dracon began to become more and more detached and wanting of revenge on Krath. His friend didn't seem to be the man he once was; a man of integrity, respect, and honor. He confronted Dracon's then Fiance, Ma`at, about this, but she had no information.<br />
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Soon after these events, Lynxus got a particular holotransmission from an undisclosed source offering him solace and revenge on Krath. Lynxus was at first a bit skeptical of the transmission, thinking it was a joke or a prank, until be began deciphering it a little more deeply. It turned out to be a message from [[Tar Alaks]], a Vigo of the [[Black Sun]] Syndicate, offering Lynxus a chance to take revenge on those who had wronged Smugglers Alliance. Excited, Lynxus ran to Dracon, telling him about the newly found opportunity to get back what was stolen. He told Dracon everything.<br />
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Dracon seemed to listen interestedly. He took in every bit of information that Lynxus told him, but for all of the wrong reasons. A few days after Lynxus spilled everything to Dracon, Dracon went before Krath's High Council. He told them everything Lynxus had told him; everything about Black Sun contacting Lynxus to rob them.<br />
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The Krath Dynasty didn't take the threat against their established existence lightly and immediately put a bounty upon Lynxus's head, which Dracon headed the operation. Dracon soon after message Lynxus a message of distress, saying that their top ryll producer had fallen ill and that he needed Lynxus to go to the factor and start the next round immediately, or they might fall dangerously behind. Lynxus, being the man he was, took this as an opportunity to prove himself. Sadly, he would never make it to the factor.<br />
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As soon as he landed the Void I onto the surface of the planet, it was boarded by armed men, lead by Dracon himself. Dracon quickly seized Lynxus, locking him in stun cuffs, and announcing the words "You are under arrest by order of the Mighty Krath Dynasty.", he smiled in Lynxus's face... Lynxus was able to get off a single communication from Dracon's ship, giving a summary of his life.<br />
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=His Final Holotransmission=<br />
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This message was received on an unknown broadcasting channel to all datapads in the Trax sector. Only a select few received the message, and even less believed the message.<br />
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"*A holoprojection appears, loading the information for Lynxus Calridian. An automated voice begins announcing the progress of loading.*<br />
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**---Data Retrieval in Progress… … …---**<br />
**---Obtaining Sentient Data On: Lynxus Calridian… … …---**<br />
**---Database Entry Partially Corrupt, Obtaining Readable Data… … …---**<br />
**---Caching Readable Data, Converting to User Language… … …---**<br />
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Personal Information:<br />
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Name: Lynxus Calridian<br />
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*The holoprojector shows an aged man, roughly 47, covered in battle scars. His name is Lynxus Calridian. A man of great stature, his body is covered in tribal-esque tattoos and markings. His most identifiable feature is his single left eye, the right he had lost in combat. He slowly exhales, and begins to speak*<br />
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“I hardly remember my past anymore… It’s been a long, hard 46 years since birth and, daily, it seems my past is slowly erased… This galaxy is changing… Quickly it’s changing, and the war is getting fiercer. I… I don’t know if I’ll make it through alive, so I’m leaving this. The account of what I still remember in my life…<br />
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I was born on Tatooine to an Alderaanian male, Huron Alraan, and a Chiss female, Winter Calridian. Unlike many who live on Tatooine, I was not born into slavery, and my parents lived there by their own free will. Truthfully, it’s not nearly as bad as everyone says. Of course there are Tusken Raider raids, and the occasional random desert beast wandering into town, but nothing that was too damaging or bad that could kill the entire populace.<br />
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One of the few things I remember was when my father went missing… When I was 10, my father went out to hunt and ran into a group of Tuskens… Needless to say, a single man versus a raiding party usually ends up in the man being brutally murdered; my father was no exception… They felt no mercy towards the man, as he begged for them to spare him, and as they tore his body apart, leaving a savage mess across the desert sands…<br />
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Soon after this, me and my dear mother left Tatoonine, is search of a place to call home; A place with no memories that we had never been to before. That place would be Naboo. This is where I met my future wife, Rayne. She was much like my mother… She was Chiss, as well, in fact, which was rare to find outside of their home world. She knew nothing of the outer galaxy beyond her home planet, much like me.<br />
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We met when I was only 16 years old. I was in a small Naboo farming community when I came across the most beautiful Chiss maiden. Never in my dreams did I believe I would ever find someone so beautiful, so breath taking, and would be able to call her my own. The first time I talked to her, I was petrified with fear of rejection, but she was just as warm and caring as any man could hope. The year I turned 25, we married, after 9 years of being together.<br />
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At the age of 35, I joined the Galactic Empire army, which I served in countless battles and gained countless scars as a Storm and Snow trooper. While in this military, I had 2 daughters, Nova and Fauroa, and a single Son, named after my father, Huron…”<br />
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*Lynux’s hologram pauses, sighing slight, and a tear forms in his eye.*<br />
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“And I… I remember one thing about my past… The day they, my family, were taken away from me… The day the Empire betrayed me… It was year 5 ABY, 5 years after I had joined the military of the Galactic Empire… My family was leaving Naboo, relocating to Aaris III when it happened… On exit of atmosphere, their shuttle was shot down by a TIE Fighter squad… My two daughters and wife were found amongst the wreckage, while my son has yet to be recovered… I...”<br />
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*Static rings out as the video feed freezes. The automated voice begins to speak again.*<br />
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**---Data Corrupt: Playback aborted… … …---**<br />
**---Attempting Recovery: 1%... … … … … … … … … … … Partially recovered---**<br />
**---Attempting playback… … … …---**<br />
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| eye color = Silver<br />
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Blood; so much blood. Bodies. Murdered. Strewn across the village. Clan. Family. Everyone. Dead.<br />
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Tyrek Velkor, looked down at his hands. Blood. He was drenched in it; but it wasn’t his own.<br />
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He stumbled in a daze to what was left of his home. Huts, burned, every last one.<br />
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His mother, wife of the head of the clan laid propped up against the remains of the doorframe. A vibroblade lay buried to its hilt in her chest. Her dead eyes bore through Velkor’s. Judging. Mocking.<br />
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Velkor fell to his knees, shell-shocked. Nothing made sense. His hand trembled as he reached up towards the blade. His hand wrapped around the hilt and slowly pulled it out of the corpse.<br />
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Dread clawed at his chest. He knew whose blade it was even before he reached for it. The etching of his crest. Carved in the hilt. Right where he put it. A thousand questions raced through his head. Not one he had an answer to.<br />
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“I have the answerss you are looking for,” a voice hissed behind him. Before the speaker even had time to finish the last syllable, the blade was spinning through the air. The vibroblade whistled through the air but narrowly missed the target as he deftly caught the blade in his clawed hand.<br />
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Relief flooded through Velkor as he recognized the figure. “Father!” The young Noghri ran towards the last remaining member of his clan. Just as Velkor was within arms length, his father struck him across the face, knocking him to the ground.<br />
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Confusion rushed through the young Noghri. Before he could even speak, the clan leader loomed over the fallen warrior. “Murderer. You did thiss. You killed usss all.” Hatred seethed out of the elderly Noghri.<br />
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Velkor rose from the ground. “No father, you have it all wrong. I didn’t do any of thiss. I don’t understand what’s happening.” The last remaining clan member shoved him backwards. “Murderer. Murderer. Murderer.”<br />
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The young Noghri flinched and deflected the attack with his outstretched hands. Velkor’s father jerked upwards and stiffened. Blood slowly started to seep out of his mouth. Velkor looked down in shock. The vibroblade jutted through the Noghri’s chest, his hands wrapped around the hilt.<br />
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“You did…this. You killed uss…all.” Velkor desperately laid his father on the ground. “No, no, no father! It wassn’t me! I didn’t mean to-“ The dying Noghri gasped, and breathed his last. Velkor sat there, unable to move. But a quite shuffling noise jarred the Noghri back to reality.<br />
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His dead clan surrounded him. The eyes of the soulless stared back at him, mangled bodies oozing blood from the wounds they suffered. Velkor stumbled to his feet, horrified, this can’t be happening, it wasn’t me, I didn’t kill you…as if saying it would make it go away.<br />
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As if reading his thoughts, the clan raised their arms in unison and pointed to the last remaining member of their clan. Quietly at first but growing in volume they chanted, “Murderer. Murderer. Murderer.'' Before he could react, they rushed towards him, dead eyes cursing him for what he did.<br />
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Velkor’s jerked awake. He was staring at the ceiling of his Interceptor Rogue Fury as he flew through hyperspace. It was that dream again. Only if it was just a dream…He fingered the blade hidden under his robes. The dream. Haunting him. Lost memories surfaced before disappearing just as quick. He sighed in frustration. He couldn’t remember. He didn’t know who he was, where he had come from or why he was having this blast dream. He would have written it off as a delusion, if it weren’t for the blade, the blade from his dream.<br />
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He twirled it between his fingers. The only thing of his past that he could piece together was from his dream. He had no recollection of his past. He was born a killer. That much he knew. It was in his blood. Skills and reflexes he didn’t know he possessed revealed themselves to the surprise of his…less then friendly encounters. Skills, he discovered, people paid very highly to use. He only had one rule. A rule that many disliked and he gained much ridicule for, at first.<br />
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Tyrek Velkor would not kill. Until he discovered what happened to his clan, whether or not he was responsible for the death of his family, he would not be responsible for the taking another life again. He would let the buyers do their own dirty work. The first few clients complained. Velkor made sure they never did so again. After word got out, from those that still had their tongues; he didn’t have any more trouble. He wouldn’t kill, but he wasn’t afraid to cause a little pain.<br />
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Velkor hissed and settled into his seat. He shook his head, trying to dislodge the last remnants of his dream. Credits weren’t going to make themselves. He needed a plan. Riding solo was good for a little while, but he needed to start networking. Maybe someone knew something about what had happened and could guide him in the right direction. If they weren’t so forth coming, well, he would use his imagination to make them feel more…expressive.<br />
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He had heard of the galaxies renowned criminal organizations. It was just the sort of shady people that could use a skill set as…unique as Velkor’s. A grimace pulled at the corners of the young warrior’s mouth revealing sharp, pointed teeth. Few would recognize it as a smile. Time to pay the them a visit and see if they would allow a lone warrior with a shady skill set onboard their less than reputable organization.<br />
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{{Infobox Character<br />
| name = Augustus Hawkes<br />
| image = [[File:Augustus3.jpg]]<br />
| homeworld = [[Alderaan]]<br />
| race = [[Alderaanian]]<br />
| mother = Joanna Hawkes &#160;<b>†</b><br />
| father = Tytos Hawkes &#160;<b>†</b><br />
| spouse = Charlotte Hawkes (Missing; Presumed Dead) &#160;<b>†</b><br />
| siblings = [[Hadrian Hawkes]]<br />
| children = [[Annabeth Hawkes]] &#160;<b>†</b> <br /> [[Tiberius Hawkes]] <br /> [[Ampelius Hawkes]]<br />
| born = Year -31 Day 162 BCGT<br />
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| gender = [[:Category:Males|Male]]<br />
| height = 5' 10'' (1.79 Meters)<br />
| coloring = Fair Skinned<br />
| eye color = Dark Brown<br />
| affiliation = <br /><br />
*[[Galactic Empire]]<br />
*[[House Hawkes]]<br />
*[[Trade Federation]]<br />
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'''Augustus Hawkes''' is a well established political leader on the planet [[Alderaan]]. Hailing from the glistening capital of Alderaan, Aldera, Augustus was the former Deputy Mayor of the city. Now free of his bonds to his homeworld, Augustus along with his children pursue continued personal growth as well as the advancement of the House.<br />
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Recently, however, Augustus and his family have aligned with the [[Empire]].<br />
= Biography =<br />
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== Early Life ==<br />
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[[File:Alderaan planet.png]] Born to Tytos Hawkes and Joanna Hawkes on Year -31 Day 162, infant Augustus seemed destined for great things. And that would prove to be correct. <br />
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Tytos was an aid for Senator Amelia Knight of House Knight, who was also part of the reigning royal family, at the [[Galactic Republic]] Senate. It was rumored that should Amelia ascend to the throne, the position of Senator would be vacant. Knowing this, Tytos worked hard for the opportunity to serve. <br />
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Charlotte was a renowned botanist back on Alderaan.<br />
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The first child of the pair, Tytos and Joanna sparred no expense to give Augustus the finest education on the planet and as such was groomed since childhood. Groomed in refined arts, political theaters, and intellectual studies, Augustus was raised to believe that the upper class deserved the very best but his parents were also benevolent in nature and passed that on to their son. <br />
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It was when Augustus turned seven years old that he would meet his little brother [[Hadrian Hawkes]]. Hadrian's birth was marked as a joyous event that was celebrated all throughout the Hawkes family and close friends. Now having two sons, Tytos felt secure that he could rest knowing they would carry on the Hawkes legacy. <br />
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== Life On Alderaan ==<br />
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Augustus continued his political education through his teenage years. Many of his teachers exclaimed that he would make a fine politician and perhaps King. The idea of being King was a thought that crossed Augustus' mind frequently but this never came to fruition. <br />
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Due to his father's connections and Augstus' own incredible education, Augustus was elected mayor of the capital city of Alderaan at only 19 years old. Mayor of Aldera provided a challenge; but Augustus had his entire childhood education to back him.<br />
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Augustus was 20 years old when he met the love of his life, Charlotte Hayworth. Charlotte was working as a secretary in his office and soon a romantic relationship grew. Appropriate or not, the two were in love and a lavish wedding shortly followed. On Year -10 Day 13, Charlotte gave birth to their first son [[Tiberius Hawkes]]. Unbeknown to them all, a huge conflict would rock the House to it's very core. <br />
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== Life Turned To Chaos ==<br />
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Just a few weeks after his Tiberius was born, his grandfather died. Tytos was but one of the many lives claimed in conflict when Grand Admiral [[Hiram Drayson]] dissolved the Senate and formed the [[Galactic Empire]].<ref>[http://holocron.swcombine.com/wiki/History_of_the_Galaxy#The_Republic_Falls The Republic Falls]</ref><br />
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Fearful for the security of his now vulnerable family and with his new authority as head of the house, Augustus ordered the house to go underground and to sever all ties to the reigning Alderaanian royal family. <br />
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Now a strong and independent man, Hadrian run away from home and make his way to [[Tepasi]].<br />
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Augustus and his family along with Joanne fled to Taris; leaving behind extended family members and their former lives.<br />
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==Beginnings After Conflict == <br />
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After just a few short weeks in a quiet life on Taris, Augustus would leave his mother behind and travel to [[Dantooine]] Charlotte, and Tiberius.<br />
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Augustus intended on joining the [[Rebel Alliance]] and doing everything in his power to help defeat the Empire and restore his homeworld's sovereignty; however Charlotte convinced him to let go of the past and return to Taris. <br />
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During the hyper back to Taris Augustus received word that his mother passed on. The loss of his mother threw Augustus into a state of despair and mindless drinking; but the strong love of Charlotte was enough to eventually pull Augustus to normalcy. Joanne's body was recovered and she was given a proper funeral back on Alderaan. <br />
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==Rebuilding The Past == <br />
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Now back on Alderaan, the displaced Hawkes struggled to reestablish themselves on the planet. Much was changed, Augustus was no longer welcome in planetary politics and many of the extended members of House Hawkes were lost or killed in uprisings. Their family kept growing however and Charlotte gave birth to another son, [[Ampelius Hawkes]]. The last child of the pair was born on Year -7 Day 96 as [[Annabeth Hawkes]], a final blessing. <br />
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The couple went on to raise their young family back in the refined spotlight of Alderaan.<br />
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From Year -6 to Year 13, records of Hawkes activities have been unknown. <br />
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== Moving Forward ==<br />
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With their children were all grown up, Augustus and Charlotte knew their children would soon leave to find their own place in the galaxy just as their parents did years before them. Augustus and Charlotte spent many intimate nights discussing their future plans and eventually one was decided. <br />
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Augustus would take his children to the galaxy beyond and forge a new destiny for their family; while Charlotte would remain on Alderaan and manage the House activities there.<br />
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On Year 14 Day 129, Augustus took a job opportunity with [[Dark Skies Gearworks]], led by Countess [[Lilith Delcroix]].<br />
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On Year 14 Day 141, Augusuts was granted Level 1 Citizenship within the Trade Federation. <br />
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=== An Unexpected Discovery ===<br />
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[[File:Augustus Jedi.png|200px|thumb|left|Augustus shortly after discovering his strength in the Force, training with the Jedi Order]]On the day of his 45th birthday, Augustus returned to Alderaan with his entire family to celebrate. Among the family was an unknown and powerful sentient. [[Eshaar Gnor]] had come to meet privately with Augustus. <br />
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In a short and personal meeting, Eshaar disclosed that he traveled to Alderaan for the fact that he felt an affinity of the Force from the planet. Traveling to the planet, the force grew stronger and then concluded that the source was Augustus. <br />
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Augustus knew he was special though he could not explain why, his parent had always told him that he was destined for great things. From that moment on Augustus decided to focus his life on honing his new-found powers.<br />
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== Betrayal ==<br />
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After two months of working for Dark Skies Gearworks, Augustus was afforded a small vacation to his ancestral planet of Alderaan. Just in time for their 25th anniversary, and hoping to surprise her, Augustus decided to surprise his wife with the visit.<br />
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What he discovered would change his life forever.<br />
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His home, ransacked.<br />
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His wife, kidnapped.<br />
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Left behind was a missive bearing the [[New Republic]] insignia. The rebel scum arrested and detained Charlotte for the House's rumored ties to the [[Galactic Empire]] and the criminal families of [[Black Sun]]. No mention of possible release, no note of a commanding officer, not even a whisper as to the location of his wife.<br />
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Distraught, Augustus called forth his children for support. It was soon agreed that the House would turn staunchly [[Anti-Republic]]. On this day, Augustus vowed to get justice for his family. He had fallen to the [[Dark Side of the Force]]<br />
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== Worlds Apart ==<br />
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On Year 14 Day 184, Augustus officially resigned from Dark Skies Gearworks. Still professionally and politely despite the trauma of losing his wife possibly forever, and made his way to enlisting in the [[Empire]]<br />
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Augustus already has in mind as to which branch to go into, and if accepted, he will be one of the oldest to enlist. <br />
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= Claim on Alderaan =<br />
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With the tradition of a ruling House ruling Alderaan abandoned, House Hawkes is one of the many claiming Alderaan. <br />
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Currently, Alderaan is governed by the [[Tenloss Syndicate]] a corporation that Augustus calls 'outdated'. <br />
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= Known Vessels =<br />
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= Awards & Positions = <br />
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== Dark Skies Gearworks ==<br />
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|<p align="center">Demolition Expert I</p><br />
|<p align="center">[[Lilith Delcroix]]</p><br />
|<p align="center">Year 14 Day 155</p><br />
|<p align="center">Accolade given for recycling 20 entities successfully</p><br />
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|<p align="center">[[Lilith Delrcroix]]</p><br />
|<p align="center">Year 14 Day 184</p><br />
|<p align="center"> Accolade given for recycling 75 entities successfully</p><br />
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|<p align="center">Employee of the Month</p><br />
|<p align="center">[[Lilith Delcroix]]</p><br />
|<p align="center">Year 14 Day 155</p><br />
|<p align="center"> Employee of the Month - April 2013</p><br />
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[[Category:Imperials]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=IGBC&diff=42884IGBC2013-11-28T01:29:33Z<p>Dreighton: moved IGBC (Please Delete Me) to IGBC: No need to delete</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[InterGalactic Banking Clan]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Talk:IGBC&diff=42885Talk:IGBC2013-11-28T01:29:33Z<p>Dreighton: moved Talk:IGBC (Please Delete Me) to Talk:IGBC: No need to delete</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[InterGalactic Banking Clan]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=InterGalactic_Banking_Clan&diff=42882InterGalactic Banking Clan2013-11-28T01:28:31Z<p>Dreighton: </p>
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<div>* For the organisation founded and dissolved in Y 13 see [[InterGalactic Banking Clan (Year 13)]]<br />
* For the organisation founded in Y 14 see [[InterGalactic Banking Clan (Year 14)]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=InterGalactic_Banking_Clan_(Year_13)&diff=42880InterGalactic Banking Clan (Year 13)2013-11-28T01:25:24Z<p>Dreighton: moved InterGalactic Banking Clan to InterGalactic Banking Clan (Year 13): Disambiguation.</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Faction<br />
| name = InterGalactic Banking Clan<br />
| image = [[File:IGBC-logo.png]]<br />
| motto = <br />
| status = Dissolved <br />
| leader = [[Bossive Ketwol]]<br />
| 2ic = <br />
| owner = [[Bossive Ketwol]]<br />
| founded = [[Year 13|Year 13 Day 99]]<br />
| dissolved = [[Year 14|Year 14 Day 361]] <br />
| affiliation = <br />
| industry = [[:Category:Banks|Bank]]<br />
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==History==<br />
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The beginnings of the first InterGalactic Banking Clan (IGBC) coincide with the development of [[Muun]] society. To truly understand the history of the IGBC, one must also study the history of the Muun. Life for the Muun has revolved around finance and mathematics for millennium, so much so that it is said that binary (1s and 0s) has found its way into everyday talk. Eventually, many banking families got together on [[Muunilinst]] to create what would become the most influential bank in the galaxy. Their base of operations was in the city of Harnaidan on Muunilinst giving themselves the name The Banking Clan, usually referred to as The Clan. <br />
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In time, Muunilinst joined Galactic society. From this time on, they were known as the InterGalactic Banking Clan. This change in name coincided with their owning and backing many colonies, space stations, ships and other property across the known galaxy. It was a time of stability for The Clan. As backers for the [[Galactic Credit]], the Clan ensured that there was little fluctuation in value making it the most widely used form of money, if not in the galaxy as a whole, at least in the core worlds.<br />
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On Year 14 Day 286, the [[Corporate Sector Authority]] purchased the InterGalactic Banking Clan from [[Corey Vildras]]. With this acquisition, Sven Wan was instated as leader and vowed to provide honest banking services to the galaxy.<br />
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[[Paparrin]] ascended to the CEO position of IGBC after the death of [[Sven Wan]] on Year 14 Day 359. Paparrin would try his best to make amends for the damage Sven caused, but with limited funds announced without further investment and dedicated administration it was likely the bank would close in the near future.<ref name="Sven's Death">[http://www.swcombine.com/forum/thread.php?thread=63019&page=1 Sven's Death]</ref><br />
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Shortly after he announced that without further investors that IGBC would close Paparrin was approached by [[Bossive Ketwol]] who agreed to take over running the bank and infuse it with new investment to ensure it could continue to run in the future. We are still awaiting word from Count Ketwol on the future of the bank and what services will be continued. According to Paparrin at the time of the transfer of power at the bank there were 14 depositors owed 214 million dollars by the bank.<ref name="IGBC Financial Statement">[http://www.swcombine.com/forum/thread.php?thread=63019&page=3 IGBC Financial Statement]</ref> Count Ketwol has revealed that prior to his death Sven transferred 200 million of the bank's money to one [[X Halk]]. What plans for recovery of these lost funds is unknown at this time.<ref name="Was X Halk involved">[http://www.swcombine.com/forum/thread.php?thread=63038&page=0 Was X Halk involved]</ref><br />
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The IGBC would dissolve on Year 14 Day 361 due to bankruptcy. The name of the bank would live on through [[Lamborari]], a shipwright company, claiming the name of the IGBC. <br />
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==Count Ketwol Financial Release==<br />
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The top 17 were payments from me personally refunding people in the events we have before Sven gave away all of the factions assets, 236m total. Pap was actively sending back all money from listings since he got control so he is 100% clear. So that's all we can do folks. Note: I did combine a couple peoples money who made 2 purchases, but some I didn't but I double checked since two people's money didn't go through and now should be all set. The repayments I made were for purchases made from Year 14 Day 358, 16:30 to 14 Day 359, 2:29.<br />
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If you have questions contact Count Ketwol through the holonet system.<br />
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IGBC will dissolve soon, name will be used elsewhere as my new front for the Bank of Bossive and my many giveaways to continue. This is the reason I cant bring myself to quit, and having shifted to being "retired". Enough people just exist to take advantage of others. I'll keep doing my best to help folks where I can for as long as I'm able, be it answering questions, loans, giveaways, and middling. #Gordian-Reach is the main hangout we use if you wish to chill out. Take Care.<br />
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-Count Bossive Ketwol of Serenno Y14D360<ref name="IGBC Events and Payments">[http://pastebin.com/L1dK2w0k IGBC Events and Payments]</ref><br />
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==The Last Days==<br />
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===Year 14 Day 361===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 361, 11:28 Bossive Ketwol has sent 1,000,000 credits to Greyson Abrams with the following message:<br />
Refund for CPM listing payment. IGBC was looted by its former leader Sven Wan. He made many false CPM listings in attempts to get more money from this turn to thieving. IGBC is not under new management, however, we do not have access to the CPM account until Togan checks his DMs! Sorry for the inconvenience, but the faction will be closed soon.<br />
*Year 14 Day 361, 11:27 Your faction received 1,000,000 credits from Greyson Abrams with the following message:<br />
For purchase of Y-Wing for CPM Sale: ywings (#240524) http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=240524&<br />
*Year 14 Day 361, 11:24 Bossive Ketwol has sent 2,000,000 credits to Blaine Kenobie with the following message:<br />
Refund for CPM listing payment. IGBC was looted by its former leader Sven Wan. He made many false CPM listings in attempts to get more money from this turn to thieving. IGBC is not under new management, however, we do not have access to the CPM account until Togan checks his DMs! Sorry for the inconvenience, but the faction will be closed soon.<br />
*Year 14 Day 361, 11:24 Bossive Ketwol has sent 2,000,000 credits to Zane Apex with the following message:<br />
Refund for CPM listing payment. IGBC was looted by its former leader Sven Wan. He made many false CPM listings in attempts to get more money from this turn to thieving. IGBC is not under new management, however, we do not have access to the CPM account until Togan checks his DMs! Sorry for the inconvenience, but the faction will be closed soon.<br />
*Year 14 Day 361, 10:17 Your faction received 2,000,000 credits from Blaine Kenobie with the following message:<br />
For the A280's in a pod (#240740) on CPM. Thanks!<br />
*Year 14 Day 361, 10:08 Your faction received 2,000,000 credits from Zane Apex with the following message:<br />
For the a280's in a pod on CPM<br />
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===Year 14 Day 360===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 360, 22:02 Bossive Ketwol has sent 16,000,000 credits to Bossive Ketwol with the following message:<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:56 Bossive Ketwol has sent 8,000,000 credits to Rakton Sidonus with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:55 Bossive Ketwol has sent 6,000,000 credits to Dominic von Black with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:33 Bossive Ketwol has sent 42,000,000 credits to Hayden Atreides with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:32 Bossive Ketwol has sent 15,000,000 credits to Emil Novac with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:31 Bossive Ketwol has sent 2,000,000 credits to Quintas Santori with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:30 Bossive Ketwol has sent 20,000,000 credits to Matthew Little with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:30 Bossive Ketwol has sent 13,500,000 credits to Mechna Yerikov with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:30 Bossive Ketwol has sent 17,500,000 credits to Mechna Yerikov with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:29 Bossive Ketwol has sent 2,000,000 credits to Joshua Little with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:29 Bossive Ketwol has sent 1,000,000 credits to Tchania Dragtus with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:28 Bossive Ketwol has sent 24,000,000 credits to Joshua Little with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:28 Bossive Ketwol has sent 34,000,000 credits to Xi`lo Scivelli with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:27 Bossive Ketwol has sent 15,000,000 credits to Sylvin Macflint with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:26 Bossive Ketwol has sent 9,000,000 credits to Xanxus Drol with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:26 Bossive Ketwol has sent 2,000,000 credits to Aubrey Cronce with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:26 Bossive Ketwol has sent 10,000,000 credits to Kira Morbus with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:25 Bossive Ketwol has sent 13,000,000 credits to Kainga Renquelas with the following message:<br />
Repayment from IGBC on behalf of Bossive Ketwol from your purchase made to the faction while under control of Sven Wan. He looted the faction, check the Traders Lounge for various threads on the issue. Only payments in the factions event history are being paid. No need to post CPM feedback, the faction will be dissolving once full payments have been made.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:20 Your faction received 250,000,000 credits from Bossive Ketwol with the following message:<br />
for repayments<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:10 Bossive Ketwol has removed the budgets Trading Services General Fund<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:09 Bossive Ketwol revoked the authorization of Corporate Sector Authority as a security service group for InterGalactic Banking Clan.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 21:09 Bossive Ketwol has reset the privileges of the faction.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 20:48 Bossive Ketwol has been appointed as the new leader.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 20:48 Bossive Ketwol has sent 5,000,000 credits to the Local Authorities with the following message:<br />
Fee for changing the leader of InterGalactic Banking Clan from Paparrin to Bossive Ketwol.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 20:47 Your faction received 5,000,000 credits from Bossive Ketwol with the following message:<br />
leader change<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 12:48 Paparrin has sent 6,000,000 credits to Sam Lex with the following message:<br />
We dont have the items. Refunded.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 12:48 Paparrin has sent 1,000,000 credits to Alan Katanna with the following message:<br />
CPM Refund. we dont have the stuff.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 12:47 Paparrin has sent 78,500,000 credits to Shall Ti with the following message:<br />
CPM Refund. We dont have the stuff. The cpm listings will be removed soon.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 12:46 Paparrin has sent 3,000,000 credits to Andrew Harris with the following message:<br />
CPM Refund. We dont have the items for sale.<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 10:23 Your faction received 6,000,000 credits from Sam Lex with the following message:<br />
Payment for the following CPM listings: 2 times Hotels making positive income (#240543) 2 times Taverns all making positive income (#240533) 2 times Offices (#240534)<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 10:12 Your faction received 1,000,000 credits from Alan Katanna with the following message:<br />
For Hotel on CPM. Thank you . Alan Katanna<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 2:51 Your faction received 78,500,000 credits from Shall Ti with the following message:<br />
For 2 coronas and the yt-1300<br />
*Year 14 Day 360, 2:06 Your faction received 3,000,000 credits from Andrew Harris with the following message:<br />
http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=240643<br />
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===Year 14 Day 359===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 359, 21:13 Paparrin has sent 1,000,000 credits to Mack Patterson with the following message:<br />
Refund. We dont have the items for sale.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 21:12 Paparrin has sent 4,000,000 credits to Cameliar Mordent with the following message:<br />
CPM refund. We dont have the items for sale.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 21:11 Paparrin has sent 1,000,000 credits to Caede Morden with the following message:<br />
Refund. We dont have the ship for sale.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 21:10 Paparrin has sent 2,000,000 credits to Rulrules Khunta with the following message:<br />
We dont have facilities for sale. Refund.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 21:09 Paparrin has sent 1,000,000 credits to Levi Miandan with the following message:<br />
CPM refund. We dont have a hotel for sale.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 21:09 Paparrin has sent 6,000,000 credits to Max Ameeno Baca with the following message:<br />
CPM refund. IBC does not have such items.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 21:06 Paparrin has sent 34,000,000 credits to Kalek Vesar with the following message:<br />
CPM refund<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 18:18 Your faction received 6,000,000 credits from Max Ameeno Baca with the following message:<br />
CPM purchase for 3 escape pods and 6 A280s.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 16:08 DANGER: InterGalactic Banking Clan is in danger of bankruptcy. It is at 55% of its original capital! (You will receive this message daily until the situation is fixed, or it goes bankrupt.)<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 15:03 Your faction received 34,000,000 credits from Kalek Vesar with the following message:<br />
For c3liner on cpm<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 14:28 Your faction received 1,000,000 credits from Levi Miandan with the following message:<br />
For the hotel.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 13:42 Your faction received 2,000,000 credits from Rulrules Khunta with the following message:<br />
2x office cpm market<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 13:25 Your faction received 1,000,000 credits from Caede Morden with the following message:<br />
ywings (#240524) Listing on CPM X 1 = 1.000.000<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 11:59 Your faction received 4,000,000 credits from Cameliar Mordent with the following message:<br />
for 4 hotels as seen on CPM. Thanks.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 11:58 Your faction received 1,000,000 credits from Mack Patterson with the following message:<br />
Hotels making positive income (#240543) CMP listing<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 2:37 Paparrin has been appointed as the new leader.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 2:33 Sven Wan has sent 125,049,887 credits to Gilbert Reed with the following message:<br />
Goodbye creul world<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 2:32 Sven Wan has sent 200,000,000 credits to X Halk with the following message:<br />
Enjoy see you in 3 weeks<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 2:29 Your faction received 21,000,000 credits from Hayden Atreides with the following message:<br />
Money for CPM purchase of 7x ships @ http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=240591 .. Thank you.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 2:27 Your faction received 21,000,000 credits from Hayden Atreides with the following message:<br />
Money for CPM purchase of 7x ships @ http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=240576 .. Thank you.<br />
*Year 14 Day 359, 0:10 Your faction received 15,000,000 credits from Emil Novac with the following message:<br />
http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=240574&<br />
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===Year 14 Day 358===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 358, 21:50 Your faction received 3,000,000 credits from Rakton Sidonus with the following message:<br />
http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=240583<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 21:40 Your faction received 5,000,000 credits from Rakton Sidonus with the following message:<br />
http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=240582<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 21:15 Your faction received 2,000,000 credits from Quintas Santori with the following message:<br />
Purchase of two taverns on CPM.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 20:07 Your faction received 20,000,000 credits from Matthew Little with the following message:<br />
(CPM purchase x 10) ---- A280's in a pod (#240579)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 19:29 Ophion Sol left your faction and provided the following reason: It's been fun. Good luck you everyone else.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 18:45 Your faction received 13,500,000 credits from Mechna Yerikov with the following message:<br />
Gozanti Cruiser CPM<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 18:27 Your faction received 17,500,000 credits from Mechna Yerikov with the following message:<br />
35 x T16 on CPM Thanks very much.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 17:51 Your faction received 2,000,000 credits from Joshua Little with the following message:<br />
1 order of A280's CPM (#240517) oh you should also leave names on you listing it helps if there is a faction contact<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 17:47 Your faction received 1,000,000 credits from Tchania Dragtus with the following message:<br />
payment for the office on the centerpoint auction plz make it over to me asap thanks :)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 17:41 Your faction received 24,000,000 credits from Joshua Little with the following message:<br />
12 listings of A280's CPM (#240532)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 17:35 Your faction received 34,000,000 credits from Xi`lo Scivelli with the following message:<br />
Cpm sale for the c3<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 17:33 Your faction received 15,000,000 credits from Sylvin Macflint with the following message:<br />
1760 from CPM<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 17:33 Your faction received 6,000,000 credits from Dominic von Black with the following message:<br />
3X 2 A280 in a pod<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 17:02 Your faction received 9,000,000 credits from Xanxus Drol with the following message:<br />
6 hoverscouts, thanks Sven.. not sure if you saw my dm in the wave of angry wheres my shit msgs lol when you get a moment let me know<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 16:59 Your faction received 2,000,000 credits from Aubrey Cronce with the following message:<br />
For a280's in a pod on CPM.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 16:47 Your faction received 1,000,000 credits from Kira Morbus with the following message:<br />
forgot a million<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 16:45 Your faction received 9,000,000 credits from Kira Morbus with the following message:<br />
for CPM listing: YT and A280's (#240513)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 16:30 Your faction received 13,000,000 credits from Kainga Renquelas with the following message:<br />
1 x Destroyer Droid - CPM Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 16:02 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Sven Wan the following 1 ship:<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #2 (ID# 150714)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:59 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed 417 droids using the following tag: entities<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:58 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed 111 items using the following tag: entities<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:58 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed the following 98 facilities:<br />
- Fountain roid #15 (ID# 367172)<br />
- Fountain roid #14 (ID# 367173)<br />
- Fountain roid #16 (ID# 367174)<br />
- Fountain roid #17 (ID# 367176)<br />
- Fountain roid #18 (ID# 367177)<br />
- Fountain roid #19 (ID# 367181)<br />
- Fountain roid #20 (ID# 367182)<br />
- Fountain roid #22 (ID# 367188)<br />
- Power Generator roid #23 (ID# 367195)<br />
- Power Generator roid #24 (ID# 367197)<br />
- Power Generator roid #25 (ID# 367198)<br />
- Landing Pad roid #27 (ID# 371581)<br />
- Hangar roid #26 (ID# 371605)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 1 (ID# 371609)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 2 (ID# 371611)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 3 (ID# 371612)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 4 (ID# 371613)<br />
- Hotel roid #9 (ID# 371624)<br />
- Hotel roid #10 (ID# 371625)<br />
- Hotel roid #11 (ID# 371626)<br />
- Hotel roid #12 (ID# 371628)<br />
- Fountain roid #21 (ID# 371638)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #3 (ID# 376085)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #4 (ID# 376090)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #2 (ID# 376091)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #1 (ID# 376094)<br />
- Semi-detached House roid #13 (ID# 376111)<br />
- Semi-detached House Semi-detached House (ID# 1108225)<br />
- Semi-detached House Semi-detached House (ID# 1109504)<br />
- Semi-detached House Semi-detached House (ID# 1109519)<br />
- Hangar Hangar (ID# 1122455)<br />
- Landing Pad Landing Pad 1 (ID# 1307722)<br />
- Hangar Hangar 2 (ID# 1331448)<br />
- Fountain Fountain (ID# 1469952)<br />
- Warehouse warehouse (ID# 1597340)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #2 (ID# 1597353)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #1 (ID# 1597361)<br />
- Skyscraper 100 Flats Kingdom Flats 100 (ID# 1600718)<br />
- Training Academy Fury Training academy (ID# 1605628)<br />
- Palace House Fury s Bastion of Liberty (ID# 1608118)<br />
- High Rise Building 50 Flats Kingdom Flats 50 (ID# 1608622)<br />
- Hotel The Grenfell Arms Hotel (ID# 1609156)<br />
- Tavern Batton & Cuffs Tavern (ID# 1609160)<br />
- Hotel Goolgowi Hotel (ID# 1609161)<br />
- Tavern Iron Bar Tavern (ID# 1609164)<br />
- Hotel Tharbogan Retreat (ID# 1609165)<br />
- Tavern Lock and Key Bistro (ID# 1609167)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #5 (ID# 1609170)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #3 (ID# 1609822)<br />
- Office Office (ID# 1610356)<br />
- Office Office (ID# 1610357)<br />
- Office Office (ID# 1610358)<br />
- Hangar Tahir Hangar (ID# 1610370)<br />
- Fountain Fountain (ID# 1610906)<br />
- Fountain Fountain (ID# 1610910)<br />
- Fountain Fountain (ID# 1610914)<br />
- Office Office (ID# 1610917)<br />
- Fountain Fountain (ID# 1611375)<br />
- Fountain Fountain (ID# 1611378)<br />
- Fountain Fountain (ID# 1611380)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #4 (ID# 1616846)<br />
- Park Dar Gardens (ID# 1634851)<br />
- Tavern Tavern-4 (ID# 1723842)<br />
- Tavern t #10 (ID# 1736708)<br />
- Hotel roid #5 (ID# 1749756)<br />
- Hotel roid #6 (ID# 1749764)<br />
- Hotel roid #7 (ID# 1749771)<br />
- Hotel roid #8 (ID# 1749775)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757624)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757625)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757626)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757639)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757641)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757643)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757647)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757648)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757650)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757654)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757658)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757660)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757661)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757666)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757668)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757669)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757699)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757700)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757701)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757709)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757812)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757813)<br />
- Office f (ID# 1757814)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757817)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757818)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757819)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757820)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757821)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757822)<br />
- Office o (ID# 1757824)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:57 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed the following 13 facilities:<br />
- Council Flats roid #30 (ID# 376114)<br />
- Council Flats roid #31 (ID# 376116)<br />
- Garage roid #28 (ID# 376126)<br />
- Garage roid #29 (ID# 376127)<br />
- Bank Darkstar Bank2 (ID# 525929)<br />
- Workers Compound Workers compund (ID# 1307702)<br />
- Council Flats Council Chambers (ID# 1477485)<br />
- Workers Compound House Fury Workers Compound (ID# 1604725)<br />
- Garage Garage (ID# 1610365)<br />
- Council Flats Council Chambers (ID# 1635029)<br />
- Council Flats Council Chambers (ID# 1638351)<br />
- Council Flats Council Chambers (ID# 1638354)<br />
- Council Flats Council Chambers (ID# 1639168)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:56 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed the following 2 cities:<br />
- City Roid rage (ID# 12085)<br />
- City House Fury (ID# 100847)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:56 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed the following 4 stations:<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 7741)<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 10377)<br />
- Shipyard I Sven's ship shop (ID# 10505)<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 13192)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:56 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed the following 1 vehicle:<br />
- Bongo Sub Bongo Sub (ID# 165094)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:55 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Ophion Sol the following 1 ship:<br />
- Sprint-class Rescue Craft [IGBC] loaded sprint (ID# 292351)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:55 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Gilbert Reed the following 6 ships:<br />
- YV-666 [IGBC] Bottom Line (ID# 73364)<br />
- ARC-170 Aggressive Recon Fighter [IGBC] Specter (ID# 109749)<br />
- Action VI Transport [IGBC] Tartarus (ID# 183639)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #1 (ID# 306589)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #4 (ID# 340226)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #3 (ID# 340373)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:53 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has unprotected the following 74 facilities using the following tag: entities<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:53 Sven Wan has sent 242,276 credits to the Protection Agency with the following message:<br />
Cost of protecting faction assets.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:52 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has unprotected the following 1 city:<br />
- City House Fury (ID# 100847)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:52 Sven Wan has sent 30,496 credits to the Protection Agency with the following message:<br />
Cost of protecting faction assets.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:52 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has unprotected the following 4 stations:<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 7741)<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 10377)<br />
- Shipyard I Sven's ship shop (ID# 10505)<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 13192)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:52 Sven Wan has sent 507,697 credits to the Protection Agency with the following message:<br />
Cost of protecting faction assets.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:52 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has unprotected the following 1 vehicle:<br />
- Bongo Sub Bongo Sub (ID# 165094)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:52 Sven Wan has sent 7,589 credits to the Protection Agency with the following message:<br />
Cost of protecting faction assets.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:51 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has unprotected the following 8 ships:<br />
- YV-666 [IGBC] Bottom Line (ID# 73364)<br />
- ARC-170 Aggressive Recon Fighter [IGBC] Specter (ID# 109749)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #2 (ID# 150714)<br />
- Action VI Transport [IGBC] Tartarus (ID# 183639)<br />
- Sprint-class rescue craft [IGBC] loaded sprint (ID# 292351)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #1 (ID# 306589)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #4 (ID# 340226)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #3 (ID# 340373)<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:51 Sven Wan has sent 761,191 credits to the Protection Agency with the following message:<br />
Cost of protecting faction assets.<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:10 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent InterGalactic Banking Clan the following 1 material:<br />
- Varium Docked RM (ID# 900066) - Size: 55<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 15:10 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent InterGalactic Banking Clan the following 1 material:<br />
- Varium Docked RM (ID# 900066) - Size: 55<br />
*Year 14 Day 358, 14:38 Your faction received 8,000,000 credits from Maximus Archer with the following message:<br />
The Modular Conveyor sold under Mod Con (#240425)<br />
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===Year 14 Day 357===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 357, 21:44 Sven Wan has sent 8,048 credits to the Creditors with the following message:<br />
Sven Wan paying off debt for Darkstar Bank2 (ID: 525929).<br />
*Year 14 Day 357, 21:44 Sven Wan has assigned you as manager of the following 1 facility:<br />
- Bank Darkstar Bank2 (ID# 525929)<br />
*Year 14 Day 357, 21:44 Sven Wan has sent your faction the following 1 facility:<br />
- Bank Darkstar Bank2 (ID# 525929)<br />
*Year 14 Day 357, 20:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 357, 10:41 Your faction received 5,000,000 credits from Ryn Tavel with the following message:<br />
For 5 Y-Wings<br />
*Year 14 Day 357, 1:44 Your faction received 900,000 credits from Joy Knight with the following message:<br />
CPM: for the JM5000<br />
*Year 14 Day 357, 1:10 Your faction received 2,000,000 credits from Regnavats Killion with the following message:<br />
For the purchase of 1 Z-95 Headhunter.<br />
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===Year 14 Day 356===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 356, 23:09 Sven Wan paid 5 salaries and bonuses for a total of 5,000,000 credits.<br />
*Year 14 Day 356, 23:09 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Paparrin with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 356, 23:09 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Ophion Sol with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 356, 23:09 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Leviathan Khaldun with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 356, 23:09 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Derek Zenox with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 356, 23:09 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Bill Wildstar with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
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===Year 14 Day 355===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 355, 22:37 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has sent Jufran Max the following 6 ships:<br />
- Nu-Class Attack Shuttle 18.8mil 3 months #6 (ID# 231842)<br />
- JM5000 18.8mil 3 months #1 (ID# 231849)<br />
- JM5000 18.8mil 3 months #2 (ID# 231852)<br />
- Starwind-class Pleasure Yacht 18.8mil 3 months #5 (ID# 258265)<br />
- JM5000 18.8mil 3 months #3 (ID# 265280)<br />
- JM5000 18.8mil 3 months #4 (ID# 265281)<br />
*Year 14 Day 355, 9:10 Your faction received 100,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
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===Year 14 Day 353 and Earlier===<br />
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*Year 14 Day 353, 13:10 Your faction received 918 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 353, 13:10 Your faction received 918 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 352, 18:10 Your faction received 85,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 352, 17:10 Your faction received 25,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 350, 2:48 Sven Wan paid 6 salaries and bonuses for a total of 6,000,000 credits.<br />
*Year 14 Day 350, 2:48 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Paparrin with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 350, 2:48 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Ophion Sol with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 350, 2:48 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Leviathan Khaldun with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 350, 2:48 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Derek Zenox with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 350, 2:48 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Bill Wildstar with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 350, 2:48 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Alexander Al-Mundi with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 348, 16:10 Your faction received 800,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 348, 15:19 Leviathan Khaldun returned from inactivity today, logging in for the first time since Year 14 Day 234.<br />
*Year 14 Day 347, 14:10 Your faction received 25,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 347, 13:49 Your faction received 5,000,000 credits from Atticus Molyneux with the following message:<br />
Payment for Centrepoint Listing #235606 (x1).<br />
*Year 14 Day 346, 18:28 Your faction received 750,000 credits from Rakton Sidonus with the following message:<br />
http://market.centrepointstation.com/details.php?lid=239768<br />
*Year 14 Day 346, 13:10 Your faction received 500,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 345, 13:10 Sven Wan has sent your faction the following 4 facilities:<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 1 (ID# 371609)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 2 (ID# 371611)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 3 (ID# 371612)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 Flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 4 (ID# 371613)<br />
*Year 14 Day 345, 13:09 Sven Wan has assigned you as managers of the following 4 facilities:<br />
- High Rise Building 10 flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 1 (ID# 371609)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 2 (ID# 371611)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 3 (ID# 371612)<br />
- High Rise Building 10 flats S&K VP03 0,0 10 Flat 4 (ID# 371613)<br />
*Year 14 Day 345, 10:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 345, 9:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 23:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 21:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 21:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 16:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 14:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 1:10 Your faction received 5,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 1:10 Your faction received 5,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 1:10 Your faction received 25,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 344, 1:10 Your faction received 5,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 343, 0:10 Your faction received 375,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 343, 0:10 Your faction received 375,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 20:58 Derek Zenox returned from inactivity today, logging in for the first time since Year 14 Day 330.<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 20:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 20:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 18:10 Your faction received 200,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 15:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 11:57 Sven Wan paid 4 salaries and bonuses for a total of 4,000,000 credits.<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 11:57 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Paparrin with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 11:57 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Ophion Sol with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 11:57 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Bill Wildstar with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 342, 11:57 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Alexander Al-Mundi with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 21:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 18:53 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has changed the access level to Open to Crewlist for the following facilities:<br />
- Power Generator roid #23 (ID# 367195)<br />
- Power Generator roid #24 (ID# 367197)<br />
- Power Generator roid #25 (ID# 367198)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #2 (ID# 1597353)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #1 (ID# 1597361)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #5 (ID# 1609170)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #3 (ID# 1609822)<br />
- Power Generator Pol Sa Motol PG #4 (ID# 1616846) Total: 8<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 15:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 11:25 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has changed the access level to Open to All for the following facilities:<br />
- Power Generator roid #23 (ID# 367195)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #4 (ID# 376090) Total: 2<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 11:04 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has assigned Sven Wan as operators of 109 facilities using the following tag: entities<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 11:03 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has assigned you as managers of 109 facilities using the following tag: entities<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 11:02 Sven Wan has sent your faction the following 1 city:<br />
- City Roid rage (ID# 12085)<br />
*Year 14 Day 340, 11:02 Sven Wan has sent your faction the following 32 facilities:<br />
- Fountain roid #15 (ID# 367172)<br />
- Fountain roid #14 (ID# 367173)<br />
- Fountain roid #16 (ID# 367174)<br />
- Fountain roid #17 (ID# 367176)<br />
- Fountain roid #18 (ID# 367177)<br />
- Fountain roid #19 (ID# 367181)<br />
- Fountain roid #20 (ID# 367182)<br />
- Fountain roid #22 (ID# 367188)<br />
- Power Generator roid #23 (ID# 367195)<br />
- Power Generator roid #24 (ID# 367197)<br />
- Power Generator roid #25 (ID# 367198)<br />
- Landing Pad roid #27 (ID# 371581)<br />
- Hangar roid #26 (ID# 371605)<br />
- Hotel roid #9 (ID# 371624)<br />
- Hotel roid #10 (ID# 371625)<br />
- Hotel roid #11 (ID# 371626)<br />
- Hotel roid #12 (ID# 371628)<br />
- Fountain roid #21 (ID# 371638)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #3 (ID# 376085)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #4 (ID# 376090)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #2 (ID# 376091)<br />
- Personal Residence roid #1 (ID# 376094)<br />
- Semi-detached House roid #13 (ID# 376111)<br />
- Council Flats roid #30 (ID# 376114)<br />
- Council Flats roid #31 (ID# 376116)<br />
- Garage roid #28 (ID# 376126)<br />
- Garage roid #29 (ID# 376127)<br />
- Tavern Tavern-4 (ID# 1723842)<br />
- Hotel roid #5 (ID# 1749756)<br />
- Hotel roid #6 (ID# 1749764)<br />
- Hotel roid #7 (ID# 1749771)<br />
- Hotel roid #8 (ID# 1749775)<br />
*Year 14 Day 338, 22:10 Your faction received 50,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 338, 17:11 Production has begun on 1 BFF-1 Bulk Freighter "BFF 4" in the Shipyard I Sven's ship shop (ID: 10505).<br />
Production order issued by Maha Michi<br />
*Year 14 Day 338, 17:11 Retooling for BFF-1 Bulk Freighter finished at Sven's ship shop.<br />
*Year 14 Day 338, 17:00 ATTENTION: InterGalactic Banking Clan was in danger of being dissolved because the number of active members fell below the required minimum. The grace period will be reset in 1 day/s.<br />
*Year 14 Day 338, 12:57 Alexander Al-Mundi returned from inactivity today, logging in for the first time since Year 14 Day 329.<br />
*Year 14 Day 337, 17:00 DANGER: InterGalactic Banking Clan is in danger of being dissolved because the number of active members fell below the required minimum. The grace period started today leaving you with 13 day/s to resolve the issue.<br />
*Year 14 Day 337, 13:10 Maha Michi has started producing 1 BFF-1 Bulk Freighter "BFF 4" in the Shipyard I Sven's ship shop (ID: 10505).<br />
Production order issued by Maha Michi<br />
*Year 14 Day 337, 13:10 Retooling for BFF-1 Bulk Freighter started at Sven's ship shop.<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:40 Your faction received 33 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:40 Your faction received 33 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:40 Your faction received 33 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:40 Your faction received 33 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:40 Your faction received 33 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:40 Your faction received 33 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:34 Your faction received 3,049 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:34 Your faction received 3,049 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:34 Your faction received 2,820 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:34 Your faction received 2,820 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:34 Your faction received 2,820 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:34 Your faction received 2,820 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:33 Your faction received 3,284 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:33 Your faction received 3,284 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:00 The facilities your faction manages have incurred total losses of 15,660 credits.<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:00 The facilities your faction manages have made a total profit of 3,148,746 credits.<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:00 The facilities your faction owns have made a total profit of 1,125,647 credits.<br />
*Year 14 Day 336, 17:10 Your faction received 40,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:56 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has changed the access level to Open to All for the following station:<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 10377) Total: 1<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:56 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has changed the access level to Open to All for the following station:<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 7741) Total: 1<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:55 Sven Wan has assigned you as commander of the following 1 station:<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 10377)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:55 Sven Wan has assigned you as commander of the following 1 station:<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market Access (ID# 7741)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:54 Sven Wan has changed the name of the following Trading II:<br />
- Trading II [CSA] Trade II to IGBC Market Access (ID# 10377)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:54 Sven Wan has changed the name of the following Trading II:<br />
- Trading II IGBC Market access to IGBC Market Access (ID# 13192)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:54 Sven Wan has changed the name of the following Trading II:<br />
- Trading II Happy Halloween Green Greed to IGBC Market Access (ID# 7741)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:53 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has protected the following 2 stations:<br />
- Trading II Happy Halloween Green Greed (ID# 7741)<br />
- Trading II [CSA] Trade II (ID# 10377)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:53 Sven Wan has sent 177,038 credits to the Protection Agency with the following message:<br />
Cost of protecting faction assets.<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:48 Gilbert Reed of Corporate Sector Authority has sent InterGalactic Banking Clan the following 2 stations:<br />
- Trading II Happy Halloween Green Greed (ID# 7741)<br />
- Trading II [CSA] Trade II (ID# 10377)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:20 Sven Wan paid 5 salaries and bonuses for a total of 5,000,000 credits.<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:20 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Paparrin with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:20 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Ophion Sol with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:20 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Derek Zenox with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:20 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Bill Wildstar with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 21:20 Sven Wan has sent 1,000,000 credits to Alexander Al-Mundi with the following message:<br />
1,000,000 salary<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 18:20 Sven Wan has assigned you as manager of the following 1 facility:<br />
- Tavern Tavern-4 (ID# 1675549)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 17:10 Your faction received 40,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 11:12 Sven Wan has sent your faction the following 10 items:<br />
- Keycard Keycard (ID# 5206285)<br />
- Keycard Keycard (ID# 5207016)<br />
- Keycard Keycard (ID# 5239223)<br />
- Keycard Keycard (ID# 5239508)<br />
- Keycard Keycard (ID# 5262276)<br />
- Cargo Container Keycard (ID# 5274319)<br />
- Cargo Container Ember Aranyos (ID# 5650646)<br />
- Keycard Keycard (ID# 5656944)<br />
- Keycard Keycard (ID# 5658054)<br />
- Cargo Container Ember Aranyos (ID# 5724124)<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 11:09 Your faction received 24 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 11:09 Your faction received 24 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 11:09 Your faction received 24 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 335, 1:10 Your faction received 15,183,910 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 334, 16:10 Your faction received 10,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 334, 10:10 Gamaly Coi left your faction and provided the following reason: No reason given.<br />
*Year 14 Day 333, 19:25 Sven Wan has accepted Gamaly Coi into InterGalactic Banking Clan. The following information was provided upon joining the group: Message here....<br />
*Year 14 Day 333, 5:10 Your faction received 5,000 credits from the Auction House with the following message:<br />
Commission from Auction House Sale<br />
*Year 14 Day 333, 0:52 Sven Wan has changed the name of the following BFF-1 Bulk Freighter:<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter For CPM #3 to [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #4 (ID# 340226)<br />
*Year 14 Day 333, 0:52 Sven Wan has changed the name of the following BFF-1 Bulk Freighter:<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter For CPM #2 to [IGBC] Heavy Hauler #3 (ID# 340373)<br />
*Year 14 Day 333, 0:51 Sven Wan of InterGalactic Banking Clan has protected the following 2 ships:<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter For CPM #3 (ID# 340226)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter For CPM #2 (ID# 340373)<br />
*Year 14 Day 333, 0:51 Sven Wan has sent 294,498 credits to the Protection Agency with the following message:<br />
Cost of protecting faction assets.<br />
*Year 14 Day 333, 0:51 Sven Wan has sent your faction the following 2 ships:<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter For CPM #3 (ID# 340226)<br />
- BFF-1 Bulk Freighter For CPM #2 (ID# 340373)<br />
*Year 14 Day 330, 12:03 Sven Wan has sent your faction the following 1 material:<br />
- Varium Docked RM (ID# 900066) - Size: 55<br />
<br />
==Leaders==<br />
<br />
*[[Corey Vildras]] Unknown - Year 14 Day 286<br />
*[[Sven Wan]] Year 14 Day 286 - Year 14 Day 359 (His Death)<br />
*[[Paparrin]] Year 14 Day 359 - Year 14 Day 360<br />
*[[Bossive Ketwol]] Year 14 Day 360 - ????<br />
<br />
==Holographic==<br />
<br />
* [[File:IGBCHorz.png]]<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<br />
<small><references /></small><br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Organisations]]<br />
[[Category:Service Providers]]<br />
[[Category:Banks]]<br />
[[Category:Organisations founded in Year 13]]<br />
[[Category:Organisations dissolved in Year 14]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=InterGalactic_Banking_Clan&diff=42881InterGalactic Banking Clan2013-11-28T01:25:24Z<p>Dreighton: moved InterGalactic Banking Clan to InterGalactic Banking Clan (Year 13): Disambiguation.</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[InterGalactic Banking Clan (Year 13)]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Centarra_Mining&diff=42878Centarra Mining2013-11-28T01:11:53Z<p>Dreighton: moved Centerra Mining to Centarra Mining</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Faction<br />
| name = Centarra Mining<br />
| image = <br />
| motto = <br />
| status = Inactive<br />
| leader = [[Quard Ithan]]<br />
| 2ic = [[Eric Zahm]]<br />
| owner = <br />
| founded = <br />
| dissolved = [[Year 9]]<br />
| affiliation = [[Neutral]]<br />
| industry = [[:Category:Mining Companies|Mining Company]]<br />
| holosite = <br />
}}<br />
<br />
Centerra Mining was a largely successful mining company run by Quard Ithan.<br />
<br />
In Year 9, [[Jormungand Gand]] planned and executed the takeover of Centarra Mining. At the time, Quard Ithan was 1IC, Eric Zahm was 2IC, and Gand was 3IC of the mining company. Gand arranged for a person to pilot a ship into a sun with Quard Ithan as a passenger. In conjunction with the ship being piloted into the sun, Gand fired all of the employees that had more privilege and authority than him except for Quard Ithan. He did not have the authority to displace the 1IC. This hostile takeover took place shortly after Centarra Mining had just claimed one system and negotiated for another. <ref name="Faction Looter and Murderer Jormungand Gand">[http://www.swcombine.com/forum/thread.php?thread=25832&page=0 Faction Looter and Murderer Jormungand Gand]</ref><br />
<br />
===References===<br />
<small>{{reflist|2}}</small><br />
<br />
[[Category:Organisations]]<br />
[[Category:Production Companies]]<br />
[[Category:Mining Companies]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Centerra_Mining&diff=42879Centerra Mining2013-11-28T01:11:53Z<p>Dreighton: moved Centerra Mining to Centarra Mining</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Centarra Mining]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Holocron:Guide&diff=41142Holocron:Guide2013-10-14T16:15:07Z<p>Dreighton: /* Account Activation */ (removed Qatar Shendo from the list of bureaucrats)</p>
<hr />
<div>__TOC__<br />
<br />
==Overview==<br />
<br />
This should guide you through the basic do's and don't's of using the Holocron Wiki.<br />
<br />
==Disclaimer==<br />
By contributing to the wiki you acknowledge that this is a collaborative work and that all members of the Star Wars Combine have the same right to create, modify, move, reuse and edit pages or parts of them within this wiki. Disputes between members on the content of articles should be solved by discussing the matter on the respective talk pages. No contributor has the right to exclusively control the content of a page, including articles on his own character, faction, ship etc.<br />
<br />
==Sign up==<br />
===Account Creation===<br />
You '''''must''''' use your Combine Handle for your Holocron user account. This helps tie edits to an active member in the Combine. If your handle changes, you must create a new Holocron account with the new name.<br />
<br />
===Account Activation===<br />
In order to deter spambots, new registrants currently must have their wiki accounts activated by a member of the Holocron staff in order to create or edit articles. If you have registered a new account, please send an in-game Darkness Message to '''''several''''' of the following individuals and request that your account be given editing privileges:<br />
<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Raith+Starlight Raith Starlight] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Rupert+Havok Rupert Havok] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Xesh+Randell Xesh Randell] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Prard`aga+Rono Prard`aga Rono ] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Jennifer+Dreighton Jennifer Dreighton] (Administrator, Bureaucrat)<br />
<br />
==Policies and Guidelines==<br />
===SWC and Official Canon===<br />
The Holocron is the in character (IC) Wiki of the [http://swcombine.com SWCombine]. All articles should be written from an IC, yet neutral perspective. They have to describe the SWCombine universe exclusively. This is important for topics or entities that also exist in the canon Star Wars universe. You can put a link to appropriate external sources (e.g. Wookipedia) to make standard canon information more easily accessible, but make sure to not contaminate the SWCombine universe with canon universe material. <br />
<br />
===IC and OOC===<br />
All wiki articles should be in character (IC). Discussion pages and user pages can be out of character (OOC). For players and their characters all OOC content should either be taken to the respective user page or the Wiki Guide, whatever is more suitable.<br />
<br />
Please write content as if you are writing an encyclopedic article for the benefit of inhabitants living in the SWC galaxy. Do '''''not''''' use OOC terminology such as "faction," "character," "NPC," "webpage," "avatar," "NFG," "IRC," etc., in your articles. Also, please use [[Combine Galactic Time]] instead of actual dates such as "February 8, 2003." Similarly, if you're using categories or templates, use categories or templates appropriate for an IC, rather than OOC, audience.<br />
<br />
OOC content should be restricted to talk (Talk:), user (User:) and meta (Holocron:) pages. There is also '''limited''' scope to add OOC content if you provide an external link in an 'external links' section (e.g. linking to a rules page for a particular entity).<br />
<br />
OOC content that we keep because of its special importance to SWC and because it does not fit in the [http://guide.swcombine.com/wiki/Main_Page guide wiki], use the OOC namespace, e.g. [[OOC:Fizzban]].<br />
<br />
===OOC Metapages===<br />
Use the prefix "Holocron:" for OOC metapages, e.g. [[Holocron:ToDo]]. These count as pages for internal documentation/procedure/guides.<br />
<br />
===Neutral Point of View (NPOV)===<br />
The Holocron is the neutral, in-character (IC) encyclopaedia for the Star Wars Combine (e.g. Encyclopaedia Britannica). The Holocron is for actual facts that document what is occurring and what has occurred in the galaxy. It is not a place for advertising, ego-stroking, blowing up your character, or rewriting history in massive favour of your faction (e.g. Fox News).<br />
<br />
Aim to follow the real life [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view Wikipedia's standards for a neutral point of view] (NPOV). Some rules need to be used with a grain of salt, e.g. what an "authoritative source" is. In this case SWCombine rules should augment the Wikipedia guildelines, in this case [http://www.swcombine.com/rules/?GNS GNS rules] should be applied, namely:<br />
<br />
:''"Topics detailing major events can be either based on database-affecting actions taken in the game (ie: if you actually took over a planet) or actions said to occur outside the limited abilities of the game-client.<br />
<br />
:Topics that are not relevant to any database-affecting actions require the permission of any faction leader/owner whose faction's actions you choose to godmode. ie: You cannot claim to have recently destroyed a dozen Star Destroyers without first getting permissions to assume such a claim from."''<br />
<br />
===Copying from other pages===<br />
Other sources of information are not always reliable.<br />
<br />
Please respect copyright. This being said, copying from other pages, where this is not an issue - namely the SWC website - it is acceptable, as long as the text respects the IC and NPOV gudelines.<br />
<br />
===The Holocron is not a Guide===<br />
SWC has a [http://guide.swcombine.com/wiki/Main_Page guide wiki] already. We also have [http://www.swcombine.com/rules a rules section]. If you're writing about e.g. a ship, don't simply regurgitate what's already on the rules page, or write a guide on how you fly ships on the sublight level (though provide a link to it if you feel it appropriate). Rather, write information about the ship, maybe prominent factions that use it, particularly famous individual ships of that type, and content of that sort. <br />
<br />
===Language and Style===<br />
The preferred language for the Holocron is UK, or International, English. For content, it doesn't really matter so long as it's consistent across the page, but categories, templates, etc. should be in UK English (e.g. [[:Category: Organisations]] not [[:Category: Organizations]]).<br />
<br />
However, adhering to strict norms of spelling or grammar is not essential for the Holocron. Many members of the SWCombine are not native speakers of English and should not be discouraged from contributing by putting too much emphasis on flawless language. Still, correct mistakes that you find. If you are looking for guidance, please refer to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia manual of style]. This should also be consulted in case of a dispute.<br />
<br />
===Images===<br />
You are encouraged to add life to your article and add images to it. When you upload images to this wiki, be sure to keep in mind the following:<br />
<br />
* Name your image file in a unique way that could later be recognisable (such as "ryan_roche-image.png" not "my_image.png").<br />
* Avoid very large images and try to resize them through an image editing program before uploading.<br />
* After you uploaded your image you found out it was the wrong one, or would like to replace it - '''do not upload it again!''' Use the function in the current image's page "Upload a new version of this file". This will allow you to edit the image and keep the file name. If you'd like to change the file name altogether, upload a new image and put the old one in the "Images to be deleted" category.<br />
* Categorise your images and put small info on them. Faction Banners & Logos should be categorised to [[:Category: Organisation Images]] and people's images should go to [[:Category: People Images]]. If no category matches your image, simply put it in the [[:Category:Images]].<br />
<br />
===Alerts and Notices===<br />
If you find an article or section that is clearly written from an OOC perspective, or heavily biased, or lacking in content, you may want to tag it so that others are aware of it and can find and remedy the issue(s). We have three tags for this purpose: <br />
<br />
* '''<nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>''' indicates that the page or section is a stub, i.e. it lacks content. <br />
* '''<nowiki>{{NPOV}}</nowiki>''' indicates that the page or section is biased and should be rewritten so it uses neutral language.<br />
* '''<nowiki>{{OOC}}</nowiki>''' indicates that the page or section is written from an OOC point of view, and should be rewritten to be in-character.<br />
<br />
To use these tags, simply add the appropriate text (in bold, above) to the top of the page, or section, that you feel needs work.<br />
<br />
===Categories and Templates===<br />
Before creating a whole lot of categories for your page, check what categories already exist by clicking Special pages, then clicking Categories. This will give you a list of all the categories already in use. Alternatively, find a page similar to the one you want to create, and see what categories it uses. For example, a page for an Imperial officer might have [[:Category:People]], [[:Category: Males]], [[:Category: Humans]] and [[:Category: Imperials]]. A page for a vehicle faction might have [[:Category:Organisations]], [[:Category:Production Companies]], [[:Category: Vehicle Manufacturers]] and [[:Category: Organisations founded in Year 5]].<br />
<br />
Similarly, before creating a new template, check what templates already exist.<br />
<br />
As above, remember to keep things IC, unless you're creating a template or category for administration/meta purposes, not for use in pages in general. Examples would be the Stub, NPOV and OOC notices above - these are for administrative purposes only. Also follow existing naming standards. For example, if you're creating a new template which is in effect a box containing information, it should be called something like 'Template: Infobox (Your Content)' e.g. [[:Template: Infobox Battle]].<br />
<br />
Also note that categories / templates should be in UK / International English.<br />
<br />
===Holocron articles===<br />
*[[Holocron:Guide]]<br />
*[[Holocron:Templates]]<br />
*[[Holocron:ToDo|Holocron:To Do]]<br />
<br />
==Creating/Editing==<br />
<br />
===Editing a page===<br />
As we are using the same wiki software as Wikipedia, you can use the tutorials and help pages at Wikipedia to learn how to edit pages. Here are the most essential ones:<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page How to edit a page]<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet Cheatsheet]<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Editing Editing FAQ]<br />
Use templates whenever possible: [[:Category:Templates]].<br />
<br />
[[Category: Holocron]]<br />
[[Category: Help pages]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Holocron:Guide&diff=41141Holocron:Guide2013-10-14T16:05:38Z<p>Dreighton: /* Account Activation */ (Removed Alex Tylger)</p>
<hr />
<div>__TOC__<br />
<br />
==Overview==<br />
<br />
This should guide you through the basic do's and don't's of using the Holocron Wiki.<br />
<br />
==Disclaimer==<br />
By contributing to the wiki you acknowledge that this is a collaborative work and that all members of the Star Wars Combine have the same right to create, modify, move, reuse and edit pages or parts of them within this wiki. Disputes between members on the content of articles should be solved by discussing the matter on the respective talk pages. No contributor has the right to exclusively control the content of a page, including articles on his own character, faction, ship etc.<br />
<br />
==Sign up==<br />
===Account Creation===<br />
You '''''must''''' use your Combine Handle for your Holocron user account. This helps tie edits to an active member in the Combine. If your handle changes, you must create a new Holocron account with the new name.<br />
<br />
===Account Activation===<br />
In order to deter spambots, new registrants currently must have their wiki accounts activated by a member of the Holocron staff in order to create or edit articles. If you have registered a new account, please send an in-game Darkness Message to '''''several''''' of the following individuals and request that your account be given editing privileges:<br />
<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Qatar+Shendo Qatar Shendo] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Raith+Starlight Raith Starlight] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Rupert+Havok Rupert Havok] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Xesh+Randell Xesh Randell] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Prard`aga+Rono Prard`aga Rono ] (Bureaucrat)<br />
* [http://www.swcombine.com/members/messages/msgframe.php?mode=dialog&tHand=Jennifer+Dreighton Jennifer Dreighton] (Administrator, Bureaucrat)<br />
<br />
==Policies and Guidelines==<br />
===SWC and Official Canon===<br />
The Holocron is the in character (IC) Wiki of the [http://swcombine.com SWCombine]. All articles should be written from an IC, yet neutral perspective. They have to describe the SWCombine universe exclusively. This is important for topics or entities that also exist in the canon Star Wars universe. You can put a link to appropriate external sources (e.g. Wookipedia) to make standard canon information more easily accessible, but make sure to not contaminate the SWCombine universe with canon universe material. <br />
<br />
===IC and OOC===<br />
All wiki articles should be in character (IC). Discussion pages and user pages can be out of character (OOC). For players and their characters all OOC content should either be taken to the respective user page or the Wiki Guide, whatever is more suitable.<br />
<br />
Please write content as if you are writing an encyclopedic article for the benefit of inhabitants living in the SWC galaxy. Do '''''not''''' use OOC terminology such as "faction," "character," "NPC," "webpage," "avatar," "NFG," "IRC," etc., in your articles. Also, please use [[Combine Galactic Time]] instead of actual dates such as "February 8, 2003." Similarly, if you're using categories or templates, use categories or templates appropriate for an IC, rather than OOC, audience.<br />
<br />
OOC content should be restricted to talk (Talk:), user (User:) and meta (Holocron:) pages. There is also '''limited''' scope to add OOC content if you provide an external link in an 'external links' section (e.g. linking to a rules page for a particular entity).<br />
<br />
OOC content that we keep because of its special importance to SWC and because it does not fit in the [http://guide.swcombine.com/wiki/Main_Page guide wiki], use the OOC namespace, e.g. [[OOC:Fizzban]].<br />
<br />
===OOC Metapages===<br />
Use the prefix "Holocron:" for OOC metapages, e.g. [[Holocron:ToDo]]. These count as pages for internal documentation/procedure/guides.<br />
<br />
===Neutral Point of View (NPOV)===<br />
The Holocron is the neutral, in-character (IC) encyclopaedia for the Star Wars Combine (e.g. Encyclopaedia Britannica). The Holocron is for actual facts that document what is occurring and what has occurred in the galaxy. It is not a place for advertising, ego-stroking, blowing up your character, or rewriting history in massive favour of your faction (e.g. Fox News).<br />
<br />
Aim to follow the real life [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view Wikipedia's standards for a neutral point of view] (NPOV). Some rules need to be used with a grain of salt, e.g. what an "authoritative source" is. In this case SWCombine rules should augment the Wikipedia guildelines, in this case [http://www.swcombine.com/rules/?GNS GNS rules] should be applied, namely:<br />
<br />
:''"Topics detailing major events can be either based on database-affecting actions taken in the game (ie: if you actually took over a planet) or actions said to occur outside the limited abilities of the game-client.<br />
<br />
:Topics that are not relevant to any database-affecting actions require the permission of any faction leader/owner whose faction's actions you choose to godmode. ie: You cannot claim to have recently destroyed a dozen Star Destroyers without first getting permissions to assume such a claim from."''<br />
<br />
===Copying from other pages===<br />
Other sources of information are not always reliable.<br />
<br />
Please respect copyright. This being said, copying from other pages, where this is not an issue - namely the SWC website - it is acceptable, as long as the text respects the IC and NPOV gudelines.<br />
<br />
===The Holocron is not a Guide===<br />
SWC has a [http://guide.swcombine.com/wiki/Main_Page guide wiki] already. We also have [http://www.swcombine.com/rules a rules section]. If you're writing about e.g. a ship, don't simply regurgitate what's already on the rules page, or write a guide on how you fly ships on the sublight level (though provide a link to it if you feel it appropriate). Rather, write information about the ship, maybe prominent factions that use it, particularly famous individual ships of that type, and content of that sort. <br />
<br />
===Language and Style===<br />
The preferred language for the Holocron is UK, or International, English. For content, it doesn't really matter so long as it's consistent across the page, but categories, templates, etc. should be in UK English (e.g. [[:Category: Organisations]] not [[:Category: Organizations]]).<br />
<br />
However, adhering to strict norms of spelling or grammar is not essential for the Holocron. Many members of the SWCombine are not native speakers of English and should not be discouraged from contributing by putting too much emphasis on flawless language. Still, correct mistakes that you find. If you are looking for guidance, please refer to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia manual of style]. This should also be consulted in case of a dispute.<br />
<br />
===Images===<br />
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'''House Ismay''' is a prosperous and widely-known political dynasty and [[:Category:Noble Houses|royal house]]. The family purportedly originated from [[Coruscant]] in the distant past where an early patriarch obtained the peerage of Count. In recent years, the family gained widespread prominence under Moff [[Victor von Ismay XVI]] during his decorated service in the [[Galactic Empire]]. Despite Victor's grisly murder by [[Teniel Djo]] of the [[Eidola Pirates]], the wealth and influence of the family nevertheless increased with the ascension of Victor's eldest son, [[Wilhelm von Ismay]], as ruler of the [[New Anzat Order]] circa [[Year 9]]. Following Wilhelm's assassination by his consort Queen [[Keishi Miahr]], several heirs of House Ismay denounced the latter monarch as a usurper and asserted their claim to be the rightful rulers of the [[Anzatan Commonwealth]]. They also claim to be the rightful rulers of the [[Twi%27Lek|Twi'lek]] homeworld of [[Ryloth]].<br />
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Spanning several generations, House Ismay encompasses many notable personages in [[the galaxy]] and, through matrilineal descent, shares blood-ties with the current [[House Tylger|Hapan Royal Family]]. Many scions of the House now reside in leading institutions and polities on both sides of the ongoing Galactic Civil War. Previously, the House was closely affiliated with the [[Galactic Empire]], but the two are now estranged. The family has a ranking system that includes the blood related members and those that have pledged fealty to the House.<br />
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== Family History ==<br />
House Ismay's founding and founders have been lost in the mists of time; however, the family traces it's lineage back thousands of years to the early years of the Old Republic. What is known is that the Ismays originated on [[Coruscant]] and gained the hereditary title of Count. More recently the family came to prominence under the leadership of [[Victor von Ismay XVI]]. Victor rose within the Imperial ranks to hold numerous high-ranking positions, including Bureau Chief of [[Imperial Intelligence]], Minister of Information, and [[Moff]] of the [[Corellian Sector]]. After the murder of Victor, the title of Count passed to his eldest son, [[Wilhelm von Ismay]]. Upon [[Wilhelm von Ismay]]'s death, the title passed to his brother [[Alexander von Ismay]].<br />
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During the time of Victor, the comital title of House Ismay was verified by not just one Imperial sovereign, but three &mdash; [[Emperor]]s [[Charon]], [[Greyson Uebles]], and [[Vodo Bonias]]. While Wilhelm was head of the Household, he added first a baronial title (granted by the Falleen Crown) and gained the kingly title of Sovereign (through the Ismayic Anzatan Crown).<br />
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== Family Dynamics ==<br />
The Ismay family is blood related with the [[Tylger family]]. [[Alex Tylger]] and [[Victor von Ismay]] both had the same mother, Xalil Zaarin Tylger, thus linking both great families as one. Over the generations, many people have married into the family, and some have divorced out of the family. A notable family that married into the Tylger side was the Ikron-Soyak family via the union of [[Tara Tylger]] and [[Navik Ikron]].<br />
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The Ismay family is not limited to the [[Human]] race. Viscountess [[Asarya`katr]] is half-human and half-[[Twi%27Lek|Twi'Lek]] and Baron Asmo von Ismay is Devaronian. Most, if not all of the Ismay siblings are half-siblings. [[Victor von Ismay]]'s many mistresses and wives over the span of his life, produced countless numbers of progeny, of which they keep being discovered periodically, making the family even larger. Taking into account his elder children's exploits, the family has continued to grow drastically, with an average of two to six children per descendant.<br />
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=== Structure ===<br />
Since the assassination of Victor von Ismay by [[Teniel Djo]] and the rise of Wilhelm von Ismay to the head of the Household, the Royal House has maintained a triumvirate-like upper structure composed of the Count (Conte) and the two Viscounts (Visconte/ssa). They hold a simple majority vote on most issues directly concerning the House, including new pledged members and investigations into the genetic lineage of those claiming to be descended from the House. During Wilhelm's stewardship, the Council consisted of himself as the Count, Viscount Owen von Ismay, and Viscountess Asarya`katr von Ismay.<br />
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With Wilhelm's murder, Conte [[Alexander von Ismay]] assumed control of the family, with his sisters Jesika, Sydney and Asa, and brother Owen.<br />
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=== False Pretenders ===<br />
Persons claiming to be descended from the Ismay lineage has been a common factor in the last decade of the House's history, mostly considered on the 'upswing' due to Victor XVI's inability to maintain decorum in the presence of women as well as to the family's positions of power over the years.<br />
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Though many have claimed to be Victor's children or even married to various other persons in the family, most have remained virtually unknown and fade into further obscurity or simply relinquish claim to the House's lineage and birthright. One person that has continued to be a thorn in the side of the House and refused to do either is Memnon Gato.<br />
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Memnon von Ismay was a descendant of Victor XVI, his eldest son. However young Memnon was found dead at a young age, having passed during mysterious circumstances. The person now going by the name of Memnon Gato von Ismay frequently claims a grudge against the family, and Victor in particular even though long dead. Many times during his service in the Empire's Sith Fleet during Emperor Charon's reign, Memnon Gato was chastised and even arrested for plotting to assassinate Moff Victor von Ismay XVI. He is generally considered to be harmless, albeit mentally unstable. He is wanted for questioning in the death of the real Memnon von Ismay.<br />
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== Scions ==<br />
=== Nobility ===<br />
'''Conte/Contessa (Count/Countess)'''<br />
* [[Alexander von Ismay]] (Count-Regent)***<br />
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'''Visconte/Viscontessa (Viscount/Viscountess)'''<br />
* [[Asarya`katr]] von Ismay<br />
* [[Owen von Ismay]]<br />
* [[Sydney von Ismay]]<br />
* [[Jesika von Ismay]]<br />
* [[Gio von Ismay]]<br />
* [[Gavin von Ismay]]<br />
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'''Barone/Baronessa (Baron/Baroness)'''<br />
* Asmo von Ismay ([[Asmo Bodan]])<br />
* [[Ottomar von Ismay]]<br />
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'''Signore/Signoressa (Lord/Lady)'''<br />
* [[Leigh von Ismay]]* ([[Leigh Kellan]])**<br />
* [[Taliesen O'Reilly-von Ismay]]**<br />
* Deshwitat von Ismay**<br />
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'''Patrizio/Patrizia (Patrician, or Highborn)'''<br />
* [[Deana von Ismay]] ([[Deana Branson]])<br />
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'''Deceased'''<br />
* Conte [[Victor von Ismay XVI]] [Assassinated]<br />
* Visconte [[Vlademar von Ismay III]] [Assassinated]<br />
* Barone [[Terrence von Ismay]] ([[Terrence Thorne]]) [Deceased]<br />
* Visconte [[Varick von Ismay XI]] [Natural Causes]<br />
* Conte [[Wilhelm von Ismay]] [Assassinated]<br />
* Viscontessa Caitiri JaBrai** [Imprisoned by the [[Anzatan Commonwealth]]]<br />
* Signoressa [[Jessica von Ismay]] [Missing presumed dead]<br />
* Barone Gavin von Ismay II ([[Gavin Rollan]]) [Deceased]<br />
* Barone [[Nicolai von Ismay]] [Broke the Black Sun Creed (Family. Honour. Profit), Executed on Year 13 Day 182]<br />
* Patrizia [[Sofia Rossari]] [Executed by Alexander]<br />
* Barone [[Ulrike von Ismay]]<br />
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'''False Pretenders'''<br />
* Memnon Gato-von Ismay [Origin unknown]<br />
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[*] By marriage, no authority within the House<br />
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[**] By marriage, reverted to Signore/Signoressa after spouse's death<br />
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=== Pledged Members ===<br />
Pledged members of the House are those not related by blood, marriage, or adoption who have sworn an oath of service to the Royal House. They gain rank with service and time. These ranks are Retainer, Oathman, Lawman, and Kinsman. Occasionally Pledged Members are granted minor noble titles and essentially adopted in the family, though they are outside the proper line of succession. As no male member may be adopted into the House's lineage, this offers non-blood males to serve the House faithfully and honorably.<br />
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At the current time, no Pledged Members will be listed.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree|boxstyle=background:#001F33;| | | OWE |y| SIR | | | WIL | | VLA | | ALE | | TER | | JES| | | ASA |~|SQU|NAV=[[Navik Ikron]]|TAR=[[Tara Tylger]]|OWE='''[[Owen von Ismay]]'''|SIR=Various Consorts|WIL='''[[Wilhelm von Ismay]]'''&#160;<b>†</b>|VLA=Vlademar von Ismay&#160;<b>†</b>|ASA=[[Asaryakatr]]|ALE='''[[Alexander von Ismay]]'''|TER=Terence von Ismay&#160;<b>†</b>|JES=Jesika von Ismay|SQU=[[Squall Chitose]]}}<br />
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{{familytree|boxstyle=background:#001F33;| RAI | | AID | | LUC | | DEA |RAI=Raina von Ismay |AID=Aiden von Ismay|LUC=Lucas von Ismay|DEA=[[Deana von Ismay]] (Adopted)}}<br />
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==Holonet links==<br />
* [http://swc-houseismay.com/holowiki/ House von Ismay - HoloWiki]<br />
* [http://www.tylger.theredmist.com/ The Red Mist - Tylger - von Ismay Family]<br />
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[[Category:House Ismay]]<br />
[[Category:Noble Houses]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Golden_Moon_Transportation&diff=39733Golden Moon Transportation2013-10-04T19:48:20Z<p>Dreighton: moved Golden moon transportation to Golden Moon Transportation</p>
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[[Category:Organisations dissolved in Year 14]]</div>Dreightonhttp://holocron.swcombine.com/index.php?title=Golden_moon_transportation&diff=39734Golden moon transportation2013-10-04T19:48:20Z<p>Dreighton: moved Golden moon transportation to Golden Moon Transportation</p>
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