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:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)
 
:It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- [[User:Kyran Caelius|Kyran Caelius]] 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)
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==Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?==
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This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.
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Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on.
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The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?
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And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--[[User:Dreighton|Dreighton]] 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)

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Selection

I have a few issues with both featured articles:

  1. Both articles that were featured so far had red links right on the main page, which is usually a bad style/example and one of the many things that stops articles from being showcased.
  2. Both articles were also imperial in their nature, and while they may be the most finished articles (due to being copied from somewhere else) I don't think it's a good for empire to "take over" the main page of the wiki.
  3. Nobody nominated any of the articles in question, Orphaea just did it on his own. At least I didn't see any discussion about it on the wiki. What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader? There needs to be a nomination process, or we'll have an anarchy of all groups trying to get featured on main page. Or is "first come, first serve" desired outcome?

--Xanyarr Chyakk 12:06, 7 March 2011 (GMT)

Agreed. However, I think it's fair to say the Holocron is still in its infancy as far as content goes, and the main page reflects this more than anything. Once more people start contributing on a regular basis, especially people who have knowledge and insight in to non-Imperial matters, the Holocron will hopefully appear less "side dominated." I figure at that point it'll be easier to nominate featured articles from all sides/aspects of the game. --Alex Tylger 15:22, 7 March 2011 (GMT)
I think Orphaea did a great job by making a new start page that imitates the look and features of Wikipedia. That is what counts at this point. I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive. :) "What's to stop anyone else with replacing any FAs with some other article, about their government or leader?" - NOTHING. That's the whole point. If you know of a great article then feature it. If you have a good idea how a nomination process should work, feel free to implement it and we can test it. I am not really scared about "first come, first serve" at this point. We have maybe half a dozen people who contribute to the holocron on a meta level right now. If every one of them finds two or three articles to be featured, that would be great. I think right now this discussion page is enough to agree on a few things, e.g. how long an article should usually be featured. But even with this I would trust the common sense of people lie you and Alex. If the wiki and the number of contributers grows, we may need a procedure, so implementing and testing it now would be a good idea, but for now it should work if any of us selects any half way decent article as featured article every few days. The idea is to showcase the wiki and encourage people to explore it. --Dreighton 21:01, 7 March 2011 (GMT)
The articles where obviously chosen because they where the most complete at the time, I take no issue with that, though the red link aspect is a definite no no. In terms of nomination of articles this talk page should be enough. They can be nominated and consensus achieved here. Horthon Gorthy 15:30, 8 March 2011 (GMT)
If you don't like the red links, there's these great 'edit' and 'create' features that the Holocron has...
The next featured article (which I'll put up later today) will probably be Siejo Kutol, which isn't an 'Imperial' page. With a little more content, I'd expect The Avance Coalition to be up in the near future as well. my own article is pretty good as well, but I've held off on making it a featured article for the moment, it might go up in a few weeks depending on what activity and development there is on other pages in that time. Orphaea Imperium 21:12, 13 March 2011 (GMT)
Siej's article is an apt choice. Your bio is also an excellent one that we should see in the coming weeks. Thank you for the comment on the avance one, however there is alot more work to go into it before itll be ready. Also, on another note I've created a template for selected pages to be put on their talk pages as a kind of reward. Horthon Gorthy 18:53, 15 March 2011 (GMT)

List Issues

Shouldn't featured articles be listed in reversed order on this page ? (most recent on top) Veynom 14:31, 13 March 2011 (GMT)

Article Suggestions

Does anyone have article suggestions for the months of August, September, and October 2013? We need a few article candidates. =P -- Rupert Havok 22:27, 22 July 2013 (GMT)

We should consider a general theme for those months (like the three big galactic blocs) and then take the time before the month comes along to improve the candidates. This way first there is a pattern and second we can get together to improve one article at a time. --Raith Starlight 23:51, 22 July 2013 (GMT)
Hmm. I'm not sure if we have enough presentable articles to adopt a general theme approach yet. Most editors only write autobiographical articles instead of more useful articles about important events, alliances, conflicts, etc. I'm having difficulty finding articles for the upcoming January and February months.... -- Rupert Havok
Does anyone have any pages (other than their own biographies) that they wish to nominate as a Featured Article? So far, Vorsia Companion seems to be a decent candidate... -- Rupert Havok 01:04, 1 January 2014 (GMT)
Elvira Falston seems to be on her way to creating a solid biography, though it isn't complete. It's definitely something to watch for the future. The New Republic article also seems on its way. -- Kyran Caelius 20:56, 13 January 2014 (GMT)
Okay... I guess we can go with NR this month (February) and Elvira's next month? --- Rupert Havok 18:01, 1 February 2014 (GMT)
Either/or being first would definitely work. I think they're both good articles at this point (better than those which haven't been featured, and are available, that is). -- Kyran Caelius 18:56, 1 February 2014 (GMT)
So what do we have for next month? There's a few good ones out there. IMO it doesn't need to be a perfect article to be highlighted.-- Wolfgang von Schlavendorf 16:31, 21 February 2014 (GMT)
I don't know if it is up to the quality of a featured article, but I can propose the Baobab Merchant Fleet article. There is a lot of effort and research behind it. --Ruben Wan 16:03, 22 February 2014 (GMT)
Black Sun and Boabab are both good articles. Hmm. Both articles need a few more internal hyper-links. -- Rupert Havok 17:33, 22 February 2014 (GMT)
Black Sun is still a WIP, though I imagine it'll be done in a month's time. I intend to go through and add more internal hyper-links, and potentially images, once I've finalized the remaining couple sections. I also still think Elvira Falston is good, though I understand putting some distance between personal biographies. -- Kyran Caelius 00:52, 24 February 2014 (GMT)

Changing the presentation style of this page

Rather than merely listing previous featured articles in chronological order, perhaps we should follow the example of Wikipedia's "Featured Articles" section. We could divide the articles chosen thus far into an Archive page and also a broader Categories page... Thoughts? -- Rupert Havok 00:37, 15 October 2013 (GMT)

It's an interesting idea. You sort of already did the Archive style, and though the broader categories would be a bit empty right now, over time that would flesh out a bit. So long as people are capable of finding featured articles with ease, I'd be supportive of it. -- Kyran Caelius 20:16, 13 November 2013 (GMT)

Should editors be allowed make articles on their own character a featured article?

This was brought to my attention as a reaction to the article on Tex Navos being featured. I am putting my ideas here, because it is easier to discuss this as a group here than through DM or IRC.

Actually one of my earlier postings to the talk page can me read as a clear indication that editors are allowed to do just that. ("I think we do not have many excellent articles by now, so I don't blame him [Orphea Imperium] for choosing the ones he selected. He could have chosen the article on his own character, btw, which is quite impressive.") I still see no reason, why an editor should not select his or her own article, at least I would not consider it a problem in itself. As far as there is an outcry right now, it is the effect of several players being told (by whom and why?) or assuming (why?) that they are not allowed to make their own article the featured article. So we now have an outcry, because someone else has done just that. So regarding the current situation with the Tex Navos article I see it as an unfortunate result of a situation where several people involved made assumptions on a situation that was not clearly defined so far. In other words: It is pointless to discuss, if anyone did anything wrong at this point, instead we should decide how to handle this in the future and move on. The selection process for the featured article is not clearly defined yet. I felt so far that we were doing well enough without it. Actually we didn't have many controcersies about featured articles in the three years that the Holocron exists now, and this without having a tight protocol. Actually I still don't see many suggestions or much of a discussion on this page even now. But maybe people just don't know how to go about having an article featured. So my suggestion is this: I'll add a section to the guide page that suggestions for featured articles should be put on this talk page in a specific section. In another specific section we could have a simple vote process (like Wikpedia has it for requests for deletion): Everyone can speak in favour of ONE of the currently suggested articles and the one with the most votes will be featured next (and the article will be taken off the suggestion list and the voting section will be wiped clear). How often do we want a new fetaured article? Monthly?

And just to be clear: Everyone may suggest the article on his or her character. What will change is that we have an established process for selecting the article.--Dreighton 12:55, 2 March 2014 (GMT)