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::So if we have to base this on pages having a lack of cited sources then the alternative is to let families and factions make the pages and administrate over them themselves. -- [[User:Dakha Rednax|Dakha Rednax]] 18:00 14 February 2012 (GMT)
 
::So if we have to base this on pages having a lack of cited sources then the alternative is to let families and factions make the pages and administrate over them themselves. -- [[User:Dakha Rednax|Dakha Rednax]] 18:00 14 February 2012 (GMT)
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::: To my knowledge SWC Administration won't apply any rulings/restrictions on the Holocron and not setup a team for it. The only option which applies here is that you sit together and talk about how "your" Family page should be setup -- [[User:Abyhsen Squeegor|Abyhsen Squeegor]] 18:39, 14 February 2012 (GMT)

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OOC

Please note that these constitute player characters only. If non-player characters were included, there would be well over a dozen additional persons, both alive and deceased. should be removed/rephrased to conform to the IC view. -- Qatar Shendo 19:54, 16 January 2012 (GMT)

Revert War

There is a revert war happening with this article. It might need to be arbitrated until the relevant parties can come to an agreement. -- Rupert Havok 19:32, 3 February 2012 (GMT)

Could the relevant parties please explain here what this conflict is about? --Dreighton 08:38, 13 February 2012 (GMT)
All information on the real edit, was composed initially by Asaryakatr. I significantly built on the edit, fleshing out IC history and the tree. All edits I made and information composed were posted after clearing them with family leader Owen von Ismay. Just because Owen isn't playing currently (last seen as an ASim) does not invalidate information from before he became an ASim. I would appreciate if my work and the work of the players of House Ismay was not vandalized by pretenders. Thanks. Weylin vi Cron 09:50, 13 February 2012 (GMT)

Re: Dreightons reply to Gav. The revert war is being done by a bitter ex-family member who has recreated with a different lastname, that no longer holds ties to the family (vi Cron is a lastname, thats not von Ismay). Deemed myself a pretender, when IC I aided in his previous characters death (Wilhelm von Ismay). If we want to draw ooc into this, my first character was Victor von Ismay, creator of the family in year 1. Weylin's updates are no longer relevant, and have been deemed unreliable several times with other members of the family. If he would like to have Asa, Sydney, Jesika or Owen come post their views, I am more than willing to listen. Simply put, Weylin is not part of the family, Owens/Asas permission or not. I would like to see the page ONLY editable by someone with the von Ismay lastname, or Asa, as she became a family member in year 3, but does not have the name in her handle. This edit war is stupid, and childish, I agree, and needs stopped. I'm that tired of Weylins constant edit-harassment to the point it makes my game-play less enjoyable.

Thank you. Alexander von Ismay 08:08 Combine Time, 13 February 2012

RE: Alexander's Response As someone who is associated with the Ismays, I can testify to Alexander's position. Weylin is no longer considered part of the von Ismay family since his departure (Perhaps before then by Alex but definitely since the house was restored post-Alex) and I do agree alongside Alex that it should only be a von Ismay that edits this page much like it ought to be with any other large family entity that has developed in-game.

Also Alex, you typo'd so I corrected it.

Dakha Rednax (von Ismay >.>) 20:47 GMT, 13 February 2012

I do not think that only von Ismays should be allowed to edit the page, as that is not how public wikis work, they can verify the information, but both options should be presented in a true encyclopedia style from a neutral point of view without taking any one side in particular. So I guess we need a mediator, somebody not involved with any side, who could present a somewhat objective view on the family after talking to all parties... perhaps it will result in a sentence like - "Weylin vi Cron also claims to be part of the family, however the majority of the House refuses to recognize his claim." --Xanyarr Chyakk 13:06, 14 February 2012 (GMT)
The problem you have with that, is that this Wiki doesn't operate with staff that can chronicle in a way you want it to because as you rightly pointed out it is a public wiki. So factions can post up information about themselves without sources and can use references when they need to and cannot be refuted because as a source of IC information time has passed and it becomes hard to verify with other players.
Unless the administration is willing to have a dedicated staff to compile the information, nothing said can be claimed to be truly neutral because no sources are provided as proof. How can you prove Weylin used to be part of House Ismay without a website? It's hearsay and to play on technicalities of the wording is pointless to the essence of the information. If we start adding in lines like "Weylin vi Cron claims" and "Majority don't recognize this" it can't be proven.
The wiki isn't or perhaps it is but shouldn't be about claims and hearsay, otherwise we'll have people claim all sorts of things like "Xanyarr claims to be the Emperor of the Galaxy" without any sources.
So if we have to base this on pages having a lack of cited sources then the alternative is to let families and factions make the pages and administrate over them themselves. -- Dakha Rednax 18:00 14 February 2012 (GMT)
To my knowledge SWC Administration won't apply any rulings/restrictions on the Holocron and not setup a team for it. The only option which applies here is that you sit together and talk about how "your" Family page should be setup -- Abyhsen Squeegor 18:39, 14 February 2012 (GMT)