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What other major conflicts should be mentioned?--[[User:Carn`ilo` Sabosen|Carn`ilo` Sabosen]] 05:47, 25 February 2011 (GMT)
 
What other major conflicts should be mentioned?--[[User:Carn`ilo` Sabosen|Carn`ilo` Sabosen]] 05:47, 25 February 2011 (GMT)
 
:We included some in the 'Concurrent' section. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 07:28, 25 February 2011 (GMT)
 
:We included some in the 'Concurrent' section. [[User:Orphaea Imperium|Orphaea Imperium]] 07:28, 25 February 2011 (GMT)
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Seeing as people are wanting to have a NPOV, Rebel-aligned should be changed to Alliance-aligned. There is no Rebel Alliance now, it's the New Republic, and all the factions are united by the Galactic Alliance. If this is from a neutral of view, that's how it should be presented. --[[User:Jared Waymen|Love ling Tresario!]] 01:55, 9 March 2011 (GMT)

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Other States

Should this template also list former and defunct Imperial satellites, such as the Imperial Outer Rim Authority (later Pentastar and now a part of Rogue Squadron) and the 12 Colonies/Chiss Ascendancy? --Alex Tylger 16:29, 24 February 2011 (GMT)

Since it's doing similar to the Galactic Alliance's members, that'd make sense. Weylin vi Cron 01:55, 25 February 2011 (GMT)
They're not GA/IU members though. That and I can't think of any major group that isn't currently outright aligned anyway. Maybe we need to make two 'Rebel-aligned' and 'Empire-aligned' general categories under the GA/IU categories. Orphaea Imperium 07:28, 25 February 2011 (GMT)
Allow me to clarify to everyone who's tried to edit the 'Other' category. This is for major factions of the Galactic Civil War. Avance is a major faction as it is very large and prominently neutral. Black Sun is a major faction due to the amount of damage it's done, particularly to the Galactic Alliance. Eidola is a major faction due to being at war with everyone and being the most significant pirate faction in history. Groups like Mando'ade, Old Republic, Anzat, etc. that are relatively minor in the galactic scale of things shouldn't be listed. If there's conflicts involving them that should be brought up, it is in the 'Concurrent' category (e.g. maybe a Mandalorian Civil War addition?). If we don't draw the line somewhere, we'll have every 'neutral' faction in the galaxy listed in the Other category. Orphaea Imperium 04:28, 27 February 2011 (GMT)
If Anzat is not listed under Other, I believe they should be listed under "Imperial aligned" with an "Until" date to indicate its period as a GE vassal state. Since Allied Tion is listed as a GCW event, one that specifically triggered NAO's period as a GE satellite, it makes sense that Anzat would be listed as well. --Alex Tylger 05:10, 27 February 2011 (GMT)
Or Allied Tion moved to 'Concurrent'. I don't know the details of that campaign, so it might well be more appropriate there than in the Imperial/Rebel conflict category. Orphaea Imperium 07:41, 27 February 2011 (GMT)
I added Anzat to the "Other States" Category, but perhaps it might be appropriate to also include Anzat as "Imperial Aligned" with a notation for the period that they were a client state.Carn`ilo` Sabosen 19:10, 27 February 2011 (GMT)
I think we're getting a little bit excessively complicated. Should we include the dates for when groups joined the GA/IU as well? Or the creation dates of TAC and Eidola? Orphaea Imperium 05:07, 28 February 2011 (GMT)
The Black Nebula you are referencing is not a state(i.e faction) and it currently links to the Black Nebula associated with Prard`al` KeyrekCarn`ilo` Sabosen 23:36, 28 February 2011 (GMT)
Seriously, if Avance is listed under "Other" so should this CIS conglomerate be. I can't recall anything from their side that would somehow mark them as a great third power bloc in the whole war. --Alex Tylger 23:39, 28 February 2011 (GMT)
I think the latest edit is a real improvement and lets us really get an idea of who all the major players are in the Galactic Civil War. Orphaea Imperium 00:47, 1 March 2011 (GMT)
If we're going to be adding former groups of the Imperial/Rebel aligned, then Kathol Republic was a city state prior to the IU forming, now defunct of course, but then TAR is also added and they're defunct as a government too. Dakha Rednax 01:29, 1 March 2011 (GMT)

To simplify the template, I have renamed "Others" to Neutrals.I think that we should not try to list all the neutral factions, but just list the conglomerates and alliances. Individual factions that have not chosen a side should not be mentioned. Carn`ilo` Sabosen 22:56, 1 March 2011 (GMT)

I'm saddened that someone took my edit adding every faction currently in the game to the template seriously.
Lets cut to the chase. What is this template about? The Galactic Civil War. What does that mean?
According to SWC's timeline (either the official one or my one, the Galactic Empire supplanted the Galactic Republic as the main claimant for ruling government of the galaxy. The war is started by opposing factions claiming that they are in fact the legitimate government. So the GCW is effectively a conflict between the Empire (and its supporters) against the major factions against its rule (these days, the GA). That takes care of who the main parties should be in the template.
Then in an 'other' category, we should include significant other parties. For example, Avance is a government rivalling several of the others in size, controls substantial technology, and is (uniquely for its size) neutral. Black Sun and Eidola, as mercurial and substantial criminal and pirate groups, should be thrown in as well.
Other groups that have nothing to do with the war over who is the 'legitimate' galactic government, like Akheton, Rothana Metal Works, or Chiss Material Extractions, shouldn't be added. And why should they? They have nothing to do with it. They're just groups in the galaxy.
Of course, there are other conflicts going on behind the scenes, e.g. Mando'ade vs Mandalore. But is this a theatre of the GCW? Not really. Maybe it's a Mandalorian Civil War, which would be a concurrent, but not the same, war (e.g. War of 1812 and the war against Napoleon - Britain was involved in them both, but that's about the extent of the connection).
Finally, we may need a separate category just for major factions that no longer exist.
Orphaea Imperium 00:58, 2 March 2011 (GMT)
I have always felt that the draft you wrote should have been adapted as the timeline, since it is a better defined version, plus it does not give the Sith as much credit.I have removed the links to all the groups who I feel should be on a template involved in the GCW. Aurodium Legion I left on for similar reason as Avance. Even though they have not chosen a side, and have declared neutrality, they are big enough to merit mentioning(as one would expect that both sides would try to court them). It also might be easier to list a group by their conglomerate name to save space.The same goes for if that group is an affiliate of a Government.Carn`ilo` Sabosen 01:15, 2 March 2011 (GMT)
Aurodium Legion is neutral, but doesn't have a whole lot of territory, and doesn't have anything unique to it. In that sense it's just another random group out in the galaxy. Avance, on the other hand, has much greater territory, is much richer, and controls a lot of important technology (weapons and ships). Anzat and Old Republic are somewhere in the middle - I'd say Anzat should be included as it was once controlled by the Empire, and Old Republic should be excluded because, while it controls tech, it hasn't ever really had any influence on a GCW scale.
I also really don't think we need all the NATs and affiliated factions listed unless they're particularly significant (e.g. CorSec, Kuat Drive Yards). The only non-faction or sub-faction group that should be listed is the Sith. Orphaea Imperium 02:28, 2 March 2011 (GMT)

Outer Rim War

Should Eidola's "Outer Rim War" be included in the list of concurrent conflicts?--Carn`ilo` Sabosen 05:46, 25 February 2011 (GMT)

If you can think of major/noteworthy events in that war that we can make articles on, we can put it in. If there's only one or two isolated events, we can stick it in with concurrent events (like we did e.g. the Hapan Black Sun Crisis). Orphaea Imperium 07:28, 25 February 2011 (GMT)

The outer rim war should have its own little sub section like the imperial civil wars etc etc. It consists of so many events that it does not do it justice as just a link. Avance's encounters with eidola alone as part of the outer rim war deserve its own section. Thoughts?Horthon Gorthy 18:02, 8 March 2011 (GMT)

Those most familiar with said events would know best to what extent it necessitates expansion of the template. How about you edit it with links to relevant events, and we can let you know how it looks? --Alex Tylger 18:09, 8 March 2011 (GMT)
Section made for it. Add what you like, but be prepared to write articles on everything you add. Orphaea Imperium 00:44, 9 March 2011 (GMT)

Other Conflicts

What other major conflicts should be mentioned?--Carn`ilo` Sabosen 05:47, 25 February 2011 (GMT)

We included some in the 'Concurrent' section. Orphaea Imperium 07:28, 25 February 2011 (GMT)

NPOV

Seeing as people are wanting to have a NPOV, Rebel-aligned should be changed to Alliance-aligned. There is no Rebel Alliance now, it's the New Republic, and all the factions are united by the Galactic Alliance. If this is from a neutral of view, that's how it should be presented. --Love ling Tresario! 01:55, 9 March 2011 (GMT)