User talk:Sovan Theln/Arkanian

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Although this race is a canon one, it isn't a valid one yet on SWC. Unless the developers plan to roll this one out anytime soon, creating a page for it or even declaring yourself a member of this race should be off-limits.--Raith Starlight 00:12, 17 January 2012 (GMT)

I agree. To speak in an IC standpoint: The race "Arkanian" doesn't exist/hasn't been discovered yet. Only thing that bugs me about that view is that the Arkanian Royal Engineers and now the Arkanian Dominion exist although the race doesn't... which really doesn't make sense IC. Still this page should probably be removed or moved to a different namespace, or to a user's space if we want to preserve it for future inclusion. Although recreating it shouldn't be a problem with the little amount of data on it. --Qatar Shendo 11:19, 17 January 2012 (GMT)
I planned on adding more to the Arkanian page soon. I'm currently editing sections at a time on the Arkanian Dominion's page, the Arkania page, and my own page, Sovan Theln. The Dominion is in fact a real NFG that is working on qualifications for faction status (membership and certain pages on website are the last qualifications we are filling). Arkania is a real planet, though currently owned by Mandalore. I am a real player, of course. Those pages also take up some time, but I am contributing every day.
Though the species Arkanian hasn't been added to SWC, it is a canon species that existed as far back as the founding of the Old Republic (though at the time, it was probably not considered Arkanian as the Arkanian species is not exactly native to Arkania. The millions of generations that the species spent on Arkania, however, makes everyone assume it to be the Arkanian homeworld. Thus, they are Arkanian) and still exists in canon to this day. The reason the Administrators provided was that there are too many "near-human" species. I would never consider Arkanian to be any closer to human than Hapans, Corellians, and other species, so I'm hoping that they'll change their mind when they see the amount of support the species has. The fact that it hasn't been implemented in SWC should not be a reason in an argument against the Arkanian Dominion or our roleplaying choices. If anything, it should be used as a reason to support our efforts as SWC isn't canon.
If you would like to hide the page from public view because it is not implemented into SWC, so be it (though I must remind you that the Holocron is supposed to be IC, and SWC itself isn't IC). I would still like to see it utilized and contributed to just as any other page is, even if it is hidden from general public view. I'd love to continue to be able to contribute to Arkanian pages because I'm a firm believer that soon, it will be a race in SWC as well. Thank you for your comments. --Sovan Theln 22:46, 17 January 2012 (GMT)
Actually as you can see there there actually is a difference between the Canon IC universe and SWC IC one. I understand what you're getting at of course and I personally like the way the Arkanian Dominion page is progressing a lot. The race Arkanian does however not exist atm. For whatever reason that may be, IC there's just not a race existent by that name. I agree that it doesn't make sense as the planet exists and to find any IC explanation of the planet being there but not the race would certainly require a... creative approach. Unfortunately the Holocron is just basically like a Galactic Database your CHARACTER accesses/edits and to have a race on there that doesn't even exist in the "real life" of the character would make even less sense than the fact of the planet existing with no race on it makes now. You are of course free to have the page in your personal User space although I don't think linking to it from the article mainspace would make sense. The whole issue is very weird and it would be the easiest if the race would just be implemented, as already a Government for a species that doesn't actually exist has been formed >.< Anyways, I'm curious to hear more oppinions on this as well. --Qatar Shendo 23:07, 17 January 2012 (GMT)
I'm going to keep using double colons so we don't get too far to the right.
I'm still going to have to disagree with that comment. Simply because the Administrators do not like the idea of too many near human races should not be a reason to neglect a page on a notable race. I am also willing to hear more opinions, but I'm sure they'll be negative ones for you are providing a rather strong argument. I would like to remind you that many species do not exist in SWC. Quite a few because of balancing issues (though Arkanians do not experience this problem as they are pretty easy to balance into the game). That doesn't mean they don't exist. Tantus Malum is another race that has a page and doesn't exist in the Combine.
How we can claim to be a simulation based in the Star Wars universe when we can't roleplay the existence of races that just haven't been given a chance is beyond me. Hapans have quite a few races that exist in canon and are mentioned in the Hapes Consortium's page (I believe it's their page. It may be a different page. I do know they mention other races that come from the Hapes Cluster), so why can't the Arkanians? All in the Dominion are avid supporters of the introduction of the Arkanian race, and we do make that clear. We can only hope that the Administrators will change their mind. I still would like to link it to the mainspace to allow others to contribute to the article. That is the purpose of a wikipedia page, after all.--Sovan Theln 23:22, 17 January 2012 (GMT)
Let's stick with alternating indents (ie 2/3 colons) so it doesn't go too far to the right and we can also distinguish between the posts. The point of this wiki is to be consistent with IC as Qatar pointed out. From browsing through Wookieepedia and a glimpse via Google, Tantus Malum that you mentioned doesn't appear to be a legitimate race even in canon unless someone has an obscure reference to it. One of the admin commented on its validity as a race/faction via Talk:Ultionis_Congregatio_Publicas_Tantus_Malum and it probably continues to exist as an article because people lost track of it. I work with Arkanian Royal Engineers and have heard of other Arkanian variants: its predecessor factions and Arkanian Micro but to date, I haven't seen a definitive claim/explanation by these factions concerning their relationship with the Arkanian race. I think someone higher-up mentioned that from a historical standpoint, the SWC IC universe is basically a divergence from the Canon universe around 1,000 years before. So the Arkanian would have existed per se but there isn't an elegant explanation to what happened to them afterward. I think we need to have the admins/developers get together and take questions from Holocron contributors to better establish guidelines. I've added a category below to group and track discussions better. The Arkanians in Canon did play with genes a bit in creating Offshoots so it would be reasonable to say that some species would have inherited genes from them so you do have a creative option to fallback on.--Raith Starlight 00:59, 18 January 2012 (GMT)