Fourth Imperial Civil War/Discussions between Orphaea Imperium and Guinar Ndengin

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Session Start: Fri Sep 17 20:37:31 2010
Session Ident: Guinar
[20:37] Session Ident: Guinar (SWC-IRC, Orphaea_Imperium) (~Ndengin@SWC-IRC.12778912162325.SWC)
[20:37] <Guinar> Hey Orph
[20:37] <Orphaea_Imperium> hello
[20:37] <Orphaea_Imperium> sorry <.<
[20:37] <Guinar> I don't really know what to say now.
[20:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> I don't think anyone does
[20:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> frankly, I'm in shock myself
[20:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> I'm well in the 'oh dear god what have I just actually done?' stage
[20:38] <Guinar> Yeah, I can imagine.
[20:39] <Guinar> Can I ask you a favour?
[20:39] <Orphaea_Imperium> give it all back? >.>
[20:39] <Guinar> Whatever happens, can you be bloody certain that at least everything is controlled by your med neb?
[20:39] <Orphaea_Imperium> med faction
[20:39] <Orphaea_Imperium> and I've already gone through that
[20:39] <Orphaea_Imperium> you'll note the Empire got back about a half dozen planets
[20:39] <Guinar> That's what I said - med neb :)
[20:39] <Orphaea_Imperium> planets that neither the Empire nor I controlled
[20:40] <Guinar> Ah okay, I only saw 400+ GNSes.
[20:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> I'd prefer the faction I may yet be fighting a civil war against control them than let them get slab bombed
[20:40] <Guinar> Glad to hear it.
[20:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> oh
[20:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> corellia is uncontrolled still
[20:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> but I have the shield network
[20:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> it was fully shielded right?
[20:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> so it should be okay
[20:40] <Guinar> Not sure.
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Bill_Maxwell> Basically you did this to get Cherokee on the big seat
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Bill_Maxwell> Or kick him into gear to be more active
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> I want an active Emperor
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> whether that's me or Cherokee or friggin' Sebastian Alfan, I don't mind that much
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> but the Empire needs a strong, active, visible Emperor
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> actually, I take that back
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> I'd do this all over again in a heartbeat if Sebastian Alfan became Emperor
[20:41] <Orphaea_Imperium> <.<
[20:42] <Guinar> Anyway, I could insult both our intelligence by pleading with you to give it all back.
[20:42] <Guinar> So I'm not going to do that :)
[20:42] <Orphaea_Imperium> there's part of me that would welcome the opportunity :)
[20:42] <Guinar> Well....
[20:42] <Orphaea_Imperium> but as Caesar said once, Alea iacta est
[20:42] <Guinar> I can give you a scenario.
[20:43] <Guinar> You write another e-mail. Indicating the vulnerability of the Empire, and that you feel you made enough of a point to show how serious the Empire feels about this.
[20:44] <Guinar> Give everything back, and throw yourself on the tender mercies of whoever's in control by this IMM.
[20:45] <Guinar> As in: I'm not a traitor, I did this to make a point. And now the point has been made, I'll sit back in my med neb and see how the dice, which I've thrown, will roll.
[20:47] <Orphaea_Imperium> tempting, yes
[20:47] <Orphaea_Imperium> but I can tell you with 95% certainty what will happen
[20:47] <Orphaea_Imperium> everything will be protected to shit, Vodo will use it as an example of his overwhelming power and stay on the throne, and I'll go to the gallows
[20:48] <Guinar> Or in exile.
[20:48] <Guinar> On the other hand, in this scenario you'd be walking away with your head held high.
[20:49] <Guinar> Heh, I wish I could offer you personal protection of sorts :)
[20:50] <Guinar> Maybe I'd even be one of the few people you'd trust to keep his word on something like that.
[20:51] <Guinar> You know what I'm worried about?
[20:52] <Guinar> That Vodo is going to huff and puff. And effectively blow the entire Empire down.
[20:52] <Orphaea_Imperium> I know
[20:52] <Orphaea_Imperium> that scares me too
[20:52] <Orphaea_Imperium> if I fail, the Empire dies
[20:52] <Guinar> Because civil war - that'd be the end of the Empire as we know it.
[20:52] <Orphaea_Imperium> no
[20:52] <Orphaea_Imperium> civil war we've had before
[20:52] <Orphaea_Imperium> we lasted the Imperial Core, we lasted NIO
[20:52] <Guinar> Not like this.
[20:52] <Orphaea_Imperium> but none of them were anywhere near as destructive as this was
[20:53] <Orphaea_Imperium> we'll have two Empires
[20:53] <Orphaea_Imperium> one with resources
[20:53] <Orphaea_Imperium> and one with the military
[20:53] <Orphaea_Imperium> and both will die
[20:53] <Guinar> Indeed.
[20:53] <Orphaea_Imperium> oh god help me :(
[20:54] <Guinar> It's the consequences that are the hard part in all of this.
[20:54] <Guinar> Not the action in itself.
[20:56] <Guinar> You can still turn it back.
[20:56] <Orphaea_Imperium> turning back won't accomplish anything
[20:56] <Guinar> You've made your point - quite clearly, I might add.
[20:56] <Orphaea_Imperium> I'm too far in this now
[20:56] <Orphaea_Imperium> there's only one way back to the Empire for me
[20:57] <Orphaea_Imperium> *one way back available to me
[20:57] <Guinar> Abdication.
[20:57] <Orphaea_Imperium> if I return and he's still on the throne, it's a matter of time before I'm in front of a firing squad
[20:57] <Guinar> Well, NIO came back...
[20:58] <Guinar> And we're still here :)
[20:58] <Orphaea_Imperium> NIO didn't steal all the Empire's money, mats, and most of its planets
[20:58] <Guinar> True. But we only came back because Vodo opened the door.
[20:58] <Orphaea_Imperium> Vodo only opened the door because Goth was forced out
[20:59] <Orphaea_Imperium> he needed a competent successor without fuss
[20:59] <Guinar> He could have kept it shut
[20:59] <Orphaea_Imperium> at that point in time it was me or Malius
[20:59] <Orphaea_Imperium> if he'd appointed either of us, the other would have caused all kinds of hell
[20:59] * Guinar nods
[20:59] <Orphaea_Imperium> Cherokee was available, very competent, very able, respected, and it made Vodo look good bringing NIO back
[21:00] <Orphaea_Imperium> that's not to say I disapprove of NIO having come back =)
[21:00] <Guinar> Hehehe
[21:00] <Orphaea_Imperium> but it was an easy out for Vodo
[21:00] <Guinar> You'd fucking better not be :)
[21:00] <Guinar> You can say a lot of things about the merger. But it's certainly been good for the Empire as a whole.
[21:01] <Orphaea_Imperium> that it has
[21:01] <Orphaea_Imperium> which is again why this is so shit
[21:01] <Guinar> We're finally preparing for combat, creating the infrastructure and the logistics needed to counter attacks and adversaries.
[21:01] <Orphaea_Imperium> I always said another split with Vodo would kill the Empire
[21:01] <Guinar> At least, we were up till now...
[21:01] <Orphaea_Imperium> and that's exactly what it's doing
[21:01] * Guinar nod
[21:01] * Guinar nods
[21:01] <Orphaea_Imperium> it also goes against something I've said often
[21:02] <Orphaea_Imperium> I haven't demanded it, but there's a fair implication / possibility that, if Vodo caves, I become Emperor
[21:02] <Orphaea_Imperium> but I've always said the throne should be passed on legitimately, not seized by force
[21:02] <Orphaea_Imperium> of course, whether legitimate succession could ever actually happen under Vodo...
[21:02] <Guinar> It could still be.
[21:02] <Guinar> Yeah.
[21:02] <Guinar> That's always been the big if.
[21:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> and of course, Cherokee could become Emperor yet
[21:03] <Guinar> And the gamble we as NIO were willing to take.
[21:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> hell, if you played your cards right, the throne could be yours instead ;-)
[21:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> there's arguments for and against, every which way you dice it...
[21:03] <Guinar> Now why would I want to do that?
[21:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> power!
[21:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunlimited... power!
[21:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> (sorry, was watching revenge of the sith (lol) today <.<)
[21:04] <Guinar> lol
[21:04] <Guinar> Bad influence on you that movie :D
[21:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> I might send flats to the Empire on corellia
[21:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> just in case
[21:04] <Guinar> Wouldn't hurt.
[21:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> I only own something like 3% of the flats anyway
[21:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> I'm surprised our margin was that low
[21:05] <Guinar> CORSEC has been building again there I think
[21:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> if I do control the shield grid, that's a bigger problem than control anyway
[21:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> oh
[21:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> if someone says they've been unassigned from something they've been given permission to own
[21:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> fleet cities or shit like that
[21:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> prod me and I'll reassign them
[21:05] <Guinar> kk
[21:06] <Guinar> They should all be tagged.
[21:06] <Guinar> I've gone through the list 2 months ago.
[21:06] <Orphaea_Imperium> yeah, I'm not paying attention to tags right now <.<
[21:07] <Guinar> I just hope that these next 48 hrs will see this conflict resolved, one way or another.
[21:07] <Orphaea_Imperium> k, you have corellia back
[21:07] <Orphaea_Imperium> yeah...
[21:07] <Guinar> But civil war....
[21:07] <Orphaea_Imperium> fuck I don't want civil war
[21:07] <Orphaea_Imperium> that would kill us
[21:07] <Orphaea_Imperium> I mean... kill us dead
[21:11] <Guinar> brb
[22:06] <Guinar> So, to reply to your e-mail
[22:06] <Guinar> How do you propose we go about convincing Vodo?
[22:08] <Orphaea_Imperium> fucked if I know
[22:08] <Orphaea_Imperium> maybe just point out to him just how fucked the Empire is if he says no?
[22:10] <Guinar> But beyond that?
[22:10] <Orphaea_Imperium> ...outright revolt and leave and join me?
[22:10] <Orphaea_Imperium> the Emperor can't lead an Empire without people
[22:10] <Orphaea_Imperium> and it's not like he has any personal support anymore
[22:10] <Orphaea_Imperium> it's support for the position
[22:11] <Guinar> It's always been that.
[22:13] <Orphaea_Imperium> mmm...
[22:13] <Orphaea_Imperium> but support for the position if the man condemns the empire will be low
[22:13] <Orphaea_Imperium> particularly if a significant percentage of the visible, active, and popular IHC members leave with me
[22:14] <Orphaea_Imperium> he's not active enough to run the show on his own, not anymore
[22:15] <Guinar> He never was. Not even when we left to form NIO back in the day.
[22:17] <Guinar> But as before, he'll find someone else to handle the day-to-day running of the Empire.
[22:17] <Guinar> Someone undoubtedly less capable than the current IHC was have now.
[22:17] <Guinar> Can you imagine what the GE would be like with someone like Myn as Executor?
[22:17] <Guinar> Or Goth?
[22:17] <Orphaea_Imperium> yeah
[22:18] <Orphaea_Imperium> it wouldn't survive
[22:18] <Orphaea_Imperium> like I said... the Empire would collapse
[22:32] <Guinar> So, how many offers have you had from the likes of Eidola and Black Sun so far
[22:32] <Orphaea_Imperium> Squall wouldn't let me merge Nikar with Eidola :(
[22:32] <Orphaea_Imperium> though he would if Keir agreed to it <_<
[22:32] <Orphaea_Imperium> NR's made some vague comments
[22:32] <Orphaea_Imperium> nothing from BS, other than people speculating who's controlling my strings
[22:32] <Guinar> Hehehe
[22:33] <Guinar> I'm not even asking about NR :)
[22:35] <Guinar> Would you consider doing something like that, btw? If it's to be civil war, that you'd join BS/Eidola/other?
[22:37] <Orphaea_Imperium> only as a last resort
[22:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> by which I mean the faction is completely unsustainable
[22:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> which I doubt
[22:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> I wouldn't make Nikar MedTech a gov, obviously, I'd come up with some grandiose Imperialish name
[22:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> Imperium Empire
[22:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> but yeah... it'd take a LOT to convince me to defect
[22:39] <Orphaea_Imperium> everything I've ever done is ultimately for the Empire, even when it's appeared as if I was working against it
[22:39] <Guinar> That's what I'll have to keep hoping for :)
[22:40] <Guinar> Could you assign Davsk Carvalm as operator to the mines in the cities (4,7) and (5,7) on Orion II please?
[22:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> fraid not
[22:41] <Guinar> Understood.
[22:41] <Guinar> I'll tell him he'll have to wait this one out.
Session Time: Sat Sep 18 00:00:01 2010
Session Close: Sat Sep 18 01:10:24 2010
Session Start: Sat Sep 18 05:58:52 2010
Session Ident: Guinar
[11:25] <Executor_Imperium> hey...
[11:25] <Guinar> Welcome home :)
[11:25] <Executor_Imperium> thank you :)
[11:26] <Executor_Imperium> hey... I didn't mean to bump you out of the potential of Cherokee's 2IC spot
[11:26] <Executor_Imperium> I always figured it was going to be one of us
[11:26] <Executor_Imperium> it's just the way things ended up falling while talking to Vodo and Cherokee
[11:26] * Guinar nods
[11:28] <Guinar> No worries mate.
[11:28] <Guinar> My work at MInd is far from done yet.
[11:28] <Executor_Imperium> frankly, I'm relieved as all hell that I get out of regional government <_<
[11:29] <Executor_Imperium> no, this was not all because I didn't want to be Grand Moff anymore >_>
[11:29] <Guinar> Hahaha
[11:29] <Executor_Imperium> who's leader of Primus right now?
[11:29] <Executor_Imperium> we may as well merged Nilar into Primus
[11:29] <Executor_Imperium> get that extra DC
[11:29] <Guinar> Jett Blackheart
[11:30] <Executor_Imperium> though it's owner that matters isn't it?
[11:30] <Executor_Imperium> for merging?>
[11:30] <Guinar> It would also increase staffing requirements
[11:30] <Guinar> So we're better off building that med neb seperate from Primus
[11:30] <Executor_Imperium> would it?
[11:30] <Executor_Imperium> do merged factions require 20 people?
[11:31] <Guinar> 14 I believe
[11:31] <Executor_Imperium> it doesn't say that on the rules
[11:31] <Executor_Imperium> we should ask
[12:28] <Guinar> So - new musical moffly chairs in the offering?
[12:43] <Executor_Imperium> I cannot tell you how relieved I am that this was resolved peacefully
[12:44] <Guinar> Yes you could.
[12:44] * Guinar grins
[12:44] <Guinar> Remeber what we talked about this morning?
[12:44] <Executor_Imperium> not in the slightest <_<
[12:48] <Guinar> Hehehe
[13:35] <Executor_Imperium> didn't you leave? <.<
[13:35] <Guinar> I'm hopping
[13:35] <Guinar> I'm going to clean the kitchen, hopefully that'll reduce the adrenalin
[13:39] <Guinar> Goddammit man, we've done what nobody has been able to do before.
[13:39] <Executor_Imperium> overthrow an Emperor?
[13:40] <Guinar> Pfft/
[13:40] <Guinar> We'd have those for breakfast.
[13:40] <Guinar> Maybe even brunch if it'd be a bit of a pudgy emperor.
[13:40] <Guinar> We've overthrown a Bonias!
[13:40] <Executor_Imperium> heh
[13:41] <Executor_Imperium> FS: Med-Neb DC
[13:41] <Executor_Imperium> <.<
[13:41] <Guinar> lol
[13:41] <Guinar> FS: Med-Neb DC, checquered history
[13:42] <Executor_Imperium> what was the anarchy like on the other side? <.<
[13:46] <Guinar> Probably a lot less fun than on your side of the fence...
[14:21] * Executor_Imperium sighs
[14:21] <Executor_Imperium> heh...
[14:21] <Executor_Imperium> it's still Day 191
[14:22] <Executor_Imperium> fastest coup ever?
[14:22] * Guinar high-fives
Session Close: Sat Sep 18 15:07:41 2010
Session Start: Sun Sep 19 05:59:42 2010
Session Ident: MIN_Ndengin
[06:03] <Executor_Imperium> yo
[06:03] <MIN_Ndengin> Heya
[06:04] <Executor_Imperium> if we merged Primus into Nilar
[06:04] <Executor_Imperium> we'll not only keep the extra Med Neb DC
[06:04] <Executor_Imperium> we'll also 100% own the merged faction
[06:04] <Executor_Imperium> getting rid of all the independent owners spying on our medical faction
[06:05] <MIN_Ndengin> Oh?
[06:05] <Executor_Imperium> and it won't cause member requirements to go up
[06:05] <Executor_Imperium> I asked Zhao
[06:05] <Executor_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> do merged factions have higher member requirements?
[06:05] <Executor_Imperium> <Zhao> Nope
[06:05] <Executor_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> k
[06:06] <Executor_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> if faction Foo merges into faction Bar, and 95% of Foo is owned and 100% of Bar is owned, what happens to the other 5% of stocks owned by Foo?
[06:06] <Executor_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> are they just bought out from the owners at the database value?
[06:06] <Executor_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> so Bar (merged) stays 100% owned?
[06:06] <Executor_Imperium> <Zhao> They get monies
[06:06] <Executor_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> the independent stock owners?
[06:06] <Executor_Imperium> <Zhao> Yes
[06:10] <MIN_Ndengin> That certainly makes it tempting.
[06:10] <Executor_Imperium> then of course we can rename
[06:10] <Executor_Imperium> to Imperial Medical Somethingorother if you want to maintain the naming tradition
[06:10] <MIN_Ndengin> Jett handed in his resignation as leader of Primus yesterday, and with him go 1-2 sitters
[06:10] <Executor_Imperium> or back to Primus since all the stuff is in that name
[06:10] <Executor_Imperium> or keep it as Nilar, though that name might have a certain stigma <.<
[06:11] <MIN_Ndengin> So I don't want to be burdened with even higher member requirements.
[06:11] <Executor_Imperium> also
[06:11] <Executor_Imperium> Cherokee owns 51% of Cloud City
[06:11] <Executor_Imperium> we were talking about stripping it, making another faction, dissolving/giving the shell over to Vodo, and moving on
[06:11] <Executor_Imperium> rather than sharing ownership with Simms
[06:12] <MIN_Ndengin> The old IRE idea.
[07:56] <Executor_Imperium> while it sucks, I'm also kinda relieved
[07:57] <Executor_Imperium> I always thought it more or less inevitable Cherokee -> You -> Me
[07:57] <Executor_Imperium> this way I avoid guilt tripping for changing the order of things <.<
[07:57] <MIN_Ndengin> It was always going to be the three of us, aye.
[07:57] <MIN_Ndengin> One thing though.
[07:57] <MIN_Ndengin> And I want you to remember this.
[07:58] <MIN_Ndengin> You made this happen. Vodo's abdication couldn't have happened without you.
[07:58] <MIN_Ndengin> We all played our roles, independantly and efficiently.
[07:58] <MIN_Ndengin> And I certainly would like to see you remain in the Empire for what you've meant for it.
[08:16] <Executor_Imperium> I'm only a man
[08:18] <MIN_Ndengin> A damn great one at times :)
[08:19] <Orphaea_Imperium> but I'm not the Empire
[08:19] <MIN_Ndengin> We all make the Empire.
[08:20] <MIN_Ndengin> It's bigger than the sum of us. Always has been.
[08:25] <GMoff_Imperium> I guess it'd not be appropriate then to request the MInd job? <_<
[08:25] <Executor_Ndengin> Hmmm
[08:25] <Executor_Ndengin> I recall you asking about that before...
[08:33] <GMoff_Imperium> meh
[08:33] <GMoff_Imperium> I have a sector
[08:33] <GMoff_Imperium> I'll build some factories and whore TIEs >.>
[08:35] <Executor_Ndengin> lol
[08:44] <GMoff_Imperium> I wonder what people will say in Year 16 of Year 11, when Grand Moff Imperium overthew Vodo Bonias
[08:51] <GMoff_Imperium> Hopefully, that it was necessary
[08:52] <GMoff_Imperium> I must be getting old
[08:54] <Executor_Ndengin> It was necessary a long long time ago.
[08:55] <GMoff_Imperium> it's only old men that worry less about what they're doing now and more about what people will say about them when they're gone, isn't it?
[08:55] * GMoff_Imperium goes off to plot his next exploit
[08:58] * Executor_Ndengin laughs
[09:01] <GMoff_Imperium> <Lord_Seele> Actually...I have a little project you might be interested in working on...
[09:01] <GMoff_Imperium> <GMoff_Imperium> I'm through with taking over governments - ask me again next week
[09:02] <Executor_Ndengin> ROFL
[09:02] <Executor_Ndengin> Oh damn
[09:03] <Executor_Ndengin> I think I just woke up the kids
[09:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> oops
[09:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> heh... wonder if I could actually play this to our advantage
[09:03] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orph> fucking Empire
[09:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orph> gimme Eidola, I'll give them the finger and be a pirate again
[09:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Keir> K
[09:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orph> Squee *loot*
[09:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Keir> Bugger.
[09:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> Yep... Orph's back.
[09:05] <Executor_Ndengin> I've said it before and I'll say it again...
[09:05] <Executor_Ndengin> A bored Orph is a dangerous Orph...
[09:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> Get the wee mij back to work?
[09:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> that too
[09:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> of course, in my case they amount to the same thing
[09:06] <Orphaea_Imperium> think it'd be worth trying?
[09:06] * Orphaea_Imperium eyeshifts
[09:11] <Orphaea_Imperium> seems fitting the first thing I do after taking so many planets from the Empire is to go out and get some more
[09:11] <Executor_Ndengin> Entirely fitting.
[09:12] <Orphaea_Imperium> k, when you hear from II I'm defecting to Eidola, you know it's bull <.<
[09:14] <Orphaea_Imperium> Cher and I were discussing timing... apparently he submitted his resignation two hours before I did my thing
[09:14] <Orphaea_Imperium> I wonder if that actually helped things along, made Vodo have more hope that Cherokee would hand the Empire back over
[09:15] <Guinar> There was also a meeting with Vodo in which the dire straits the Empire'd be in was presented to him.
[09:15] <Orphaea_Imperium> I know, I saw the log
[09:16] <Orphaea_Imperium> inaccurate in places, but I suspect you were all stringing him along
[09:16] <Guinar> As I said, we all had our role to play.
[09:16] <Orphaea_Imperium> there wasn't another meeting without him where you agreed to convince him to go? :D
[09:16] <Orphaea_Imperium> or was that just unspoken agreement?
[09:18] <Guinar> Unspoken agreement
[09:18] <Orphaea_Imperium> I'm going to be in a reflective mood for a couple days, I imagine
[09:19] <Orphaea_Imperium> I usually am
[09:19] <Orphaea_Imperium> can I at least get view credits / the Coruscant budget back?
[09:20] <Guinar> Yeah, no worries
[09:20] <Orphaea_Imperium> well, everything a Moff needs
[09:20] * Guinar nods
[09:20] <Orphaea_Imperium> just find someone else's priv page and copy it
[09:20] <Orphaea_Imperium> that's what I did <.<
[09:20] <Guinar> ISB is reviewing all privs across the board
[09:20] <Guinar> So could be a few days
[09:20] <Orphaea_Imperium> Moffs were fairly good with privs, I think, can't say whether the underlings were though
[09:21] <Orphaea_Imperium> of course, now you need assign mats to build stuff...
[09:23] <Orphaea_Imperium> you know, despite having pushed the Empire to the brink, being high, and now being lower than where I started (in theory, anyway)
[09:23] <Orphaea_Imperium> I'm more enthusiastic now about improving the Empire than I have been in months
[09:26] <Guinar> That's good to hear :)
[09:27] <Orphaea_Imperium> maybe it's the idea of something changing
[09:28] <Orphaea_Imperium> I've had a couple 'That shouldn't have happened' messages btw, I think I've taken care of them though
[09:28] <Guinar> For all the respect that's his due, it's hard to underestimate the crippling impact Vodo has had as faction leader.
[09:28] <Orphaea_Imperium> all people saw when they looked at us was him
[09:30] <Orphaea_Imperium> I could draw an analogy to the Coup of Day 291 and the 20 July Plot, but of course, that would break Godwin's Law
[09:46] <Orphaea_Imperium> you going to merge Nilar/Primus?
[09:49] <Guinar> Would be useful, aye.
[09:50] <Orphaea_Imperium> want me to make Nilar over?
[09:50] <Orphaea_Imperium> all that's sitting in it at the moment is 50m in credits and the HQ facil
[09:50] <Orphaea_Imperium> which is on one of my worlds in Fulban
[09:51] <Guinar> Yes please.
[09:51] <Orphaea_Imperium> you, Cherokee or Empire?
[09:51] <Guinar> Me is probably easiest
[09:51] <Guinar> Saves inventory digging
[09:53] * Guinar runs off to start a new coup!
[09:54] <Orphaea_Imperium> I was about to say >.>
[09:56] <Orphaea_Imperium> Year 11 Day 292, 16:55	You gave 1 stocks from Nilar MedTech to Guinar Ndengin.
[09:56] <Orphaea_Imperium> may you use it for a better purpose than I did
[09:56] <Orphaea_Imperium> send me the credits back when you're done, you can keep the extra HQ
Session Start: Sun Sep 19 19:42:17 2010
Session Ident: Guinar
[19:42] <Orphaea_Imperium> yo
[19:44] <Guinar> Oi
[19:48] <Orphaea_Imperium> can I ask a serious question with the hope of getting an honest answer?
[19:49] <Guinar> Always
[19:49] <Guinar> You know me.
[19:49] <Guinar> I never joke around.
[19:49] <Guinar> Nor contradict myself - ever.
[19:49] <Orphaea_Imperium> indeed
[19:51] <Orphaea_Imperium> is moving me down a matter of making happy the various people that wouldn't be happy with me being in the Executor seat at the moment, or do you/Cherokee have a legitimate concern that I might try something like it again?
[19:52] <Guinar> It's more that we can't be seen to condone blackmail. That while your motives were good, this wasn't the way to do it (even if realistically, it would have been the only way)
[19:53] <Guinar> I think that with Cherokee in command, and everything protected, there is little chance of something like this happening again.
[19:53] <Guinar> Not to the scale you were able to pull it off, at least.
[19:56] <Guinar> I think it's fair to say that if we didn't trust you, you wouldn't be offered the position of GMoff of Coruscant.
[19:56] <Guinar> Which still comes with considerable priv power and information at your disposal.
[19:57] <Orphaea_Imperium> I think if you were actually worried about me I'd have been expelled outright
[19:58] <Orphaea_Imperium> I was thinking on it as well, I also don't think it would have worked if it was anyone but me doing it
[19:59] <Orphaea_Imperium> if Cherokee did it it would have been an obvious grab for power, I don't think you have quite the character to do something like that, and no one else was the combination of senior/popular/insane enough
[20:01] * Guinar nods
[20:01] <Orphaea_Imperium> I had a nap and had some time to think during the day, I just don't want to be one of those people that has no hope of ever moving further and continues on delusions of grandeur based on some former glory
[20:01] <Orphaea_Imperium> I won't mention names, but I'm sure you can come up with a few people like that <.<
[20:02] <Guinar> Hehehe
[20:04] <Orphaea_Imperium> I'm just wishing now Cherokee and I had made arrangements to keep my (old) Executor position under wraps until the meeting
[20:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> I've had to deal with a few people saying I'm a hero
[20:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> or what happened was unfair
[20:05] <Orphaea_Imperium> or begging me not to go -.-
[20:05] <Guinar> Yeah. Timing.
[20:06] <Orphaea_Imperium> if we hadn't announced it before, there wouldn't have been a fuss
[20:06] <Orphaea_Imperium> brb
[20:30] <Orphaea_Imperium> back
[20:31] <Orphaea_Imperium> losing Chairman doesn't mean all that much... it's not like I ever relied on holding any given position to do anything >.>
[20:34] <Guinar> Has anyone tried talking to Solar Defence Agency concerning Galnor in Corellia?
[20:37] <Orphaea_Imperium> Ran was stubborn last time I tried
[20:37] <Orphaea_Imperium> I tried trading him Bilbringi VI
[20:37] <Orphaea_Imperium> but I'm told he's since expresed greater willingness
[20:37] <Orphaea_Imperium> recent events might help in that regard
[20:37] <Guinar> Hehehe
[20:37] <Guinar> Wouldn't hurt to give it another go then
[20:37] * Orphaea_Imperium does wonder how many people will suddenly become pro-Empire now <.<
[20:42] <Orphaea_Imperium> NR tried to buy me out of Orus, F-4 and... somewhere else
[20:44] <Guinar> Well, you have more experience than most with the way they do business.
[20:44] <Guinar> Or rather, don't do business.
[20:45] <Orphaea_Imperium> they also tried buying intel
[20:45] <Orphaea_Imperium> I declined all offers... though I did tell them if Aves wanted a vacation and wanted to leave me in charge something could be arranged
[20:45] <Guinar> Hehehe
[20:45] <Guinar> Interesting system this, btw:
[20:46] <Orphaea_Imperium> from memory it's a system that got half added
[20:46] <Guinar> Ah
[20:46] <Guinar> Who owns those SYs? Do you know?
[20:46] <Orphaea_Imperium> there was meant to be more, but someone (who I suspect starts with a K and ends in eir) never got around to finishing it
[20:46] <Orphaea_Imperium> no clue
[20:46] <Guinar> And can you send me a list of the [XTer] planets please?
[20:47] <Orphaea_Imperium> also check out... Polis Massa?
[20:47] <Orphaea_Imperium> the Rimma system
[20:47] <Orphaea_Imperium> if I had view planets I could pull a list of XTer planets in minutes <.<
[20:48] <Guinar> There you go
[20:49] <Orphaea_Imperium> love
[20:50] <Orphaea_Imperium> just tagged them all in inventory
[20:51] <Orphaea_Imperium> basically everything not in a sector except Noma (Bothan) and Fulban (mine)
Session Time: Mon Sep 20 00:00:02 2010
[00:27] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> they made me not be Executor anymore
[00:27] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> gimme Eidola :(
[00:27] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Joshua> You're always welcome back in, but I'm afraid you're a monster with privs in govs :P
[00:27] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> bah
[00:27] <Orphaea_Imperium> <Orphaea_Imperium> was worth a try >.>
[00:27] <Guinar> Hehehe
[00:38] <Orphaea_Imperium> I suggested to Cherokee that Ben or Eric be the next Chairman
[00:39] <Orphaea_Imperium> Ben's got the edge on theoretical knowledge of planetary economy rules, Eric is more visible
[00:40] <Orphaea_Imperium> Tanez'd be good, but I thought you might want to keep him free if you're going to transition out of MInd
[00:46] <Guinar> Tanez would make a good candidate as well, aye.
Session Start: Mon Sep 20 07:46:05 2010
Session Ident: Guinar
[07:46] <Orphaea_Imperium> btw
[07:46] <Orphaea_Imperium> I had makeover credits so I could do things like pay NPCs
[07:46] <Orphaea_Imperium> not that I need that priv again, just saying that's why I had it before <.<
[07:49] <Guinar> I thought it had to do with planet trades and the like
Session Close: Mon Sep 20 22:57:51 2010
Session Close: Mon Sep 20 22:57:51 2010