Talk:Minstrel-Class Yacht

I may need some help with neutrality here if anyone wants to give me feedback. I have an unnatural love for this ship ... and I am the manufacturer. --Arkhaios Plaga 03:18, 22 March 2011 (GMT)

factuality

I'm curious was R&D released at some point to allow only a select few individuals to design a ship?
Or will everybody from a faction with some datacard now claim to be its designer? Hey since my character is a leader of Rendili and a wookiee, who lived long before the clone wars, I could claim to have created the Dreadnaught and Lictor, and cooperated with others on C-3 and Neutron Star...
The original premise of the holocron still stands:

"The Holocron is for actual facts of what's happening and what has happened in the galaxy. It's not a place for advertising, ego stroking and blowing up your character, or rewriting history in massive favour of your faction (e.g. Fox News)."

— Jennifer Dreighton, Holocron:Guide

So once again did the characters mentioned in the article actually designed the ship in game? or Red/White Scenario? or was it somehow granted to them by admins as reward for some services to SWC? or was minstrel among all the ship DCs granted to factions around year 6? --Xanyarr Chyakk 11:21, 4 April 2011 (GMT)

Around the time that Datacards were assigned, the Minstrel was one of a number of datacards offered to Drax (Minstrel, Xiytiar, Guardian, Mobquet among the choices). We ended up choosing the Minstrel and the Xiyiar. There was no red/white scenario, no in-game R&D. Having said that, we at the time assumed and role-played that the assigning of the datacard was, in essence, making us the designer of the ship in addition to the manufacturer. If this is incorrect, I would be more than happy to change it, but I'll need some help with the fix. If not those listed, then who? The original artist? Or for history purposes does the ship just have no designer? Or was the designer some arbitrary NPC and "The SWC Gods" magically gave us the knowledge of the design one day? I completely agree with the original premise of the Holocron ... but being at loss for another explanation, I took what liberty I did in order to tell a complete story; though as I mentioned above, we did honestly assume to be the "IC designers" of the ship. If someone can change this to a better alternative or can give me a better alternative so I can change it, please do, but I'd rather see people take the liberty I did here rather than ending up with every article looking like the YT-1210 article; I can read the rules page for that. --Arkhaios Plaga 13:52, 5 April 2011 (GMT)

Appreciate the answer and the history lesson. ;) --Xanyarr Chyakk 12:10, 10 April 2011 (GMT)

I took out the offending parts, hopefully. If there is more, let me know. I also tried to make the article much more neutral. Having said that, I'm sorely tempted to change the section in which I talk about the ships density to something much more "partial" and yet no less true: The Density of the Minstrel is greater than that of lead and rivals that of the Earth's core (~12,600 kg/m3); for comparison, the Lancer has the density of Styrofoam (~50kg/m3). --Arkhaios Plaga 03:21, 7 April 2011 (GMT)

It's not that those parts were offending... just think about everybody claiming to be inventors of some thing or other that they really had nothing to do with... I'd rather leave that until the actual R&D comes out and people start discovering/researching/designing things for "real"... but it's not my call!

I thought Dreighton would notice this discussion and pitch in, but perhaps we need to extend a special invitation! ;)

If it were up to me I'd rather see you invent some NPCs and use them not just here, but also in the history of your faction; they could even be relatives, parents or siblings of the player characters. But that's just me. --Xanyarr Chyakk 12:10, 10 April 2011 (GMT)

I'll wait to hear from someone else on this, but I'm about to put back most of the non-neutral things and take the NPoV tag off myself after having actually read the The Avance Coalition article for myself; within that particular article, the author refers to Avance as "utopian", as well as describing Avance as "the ideal place to [...] set up a thriving business" among other things, and this much only in the first 2 sections. This was a featured article for goodness sakes! If that is considered "neutral", then so is half the stuff I took out and more than a few of the things I never even had the audacity to put in. I am fully on board with this wiki following guidlines to ensure articles have a NPoV, but only if that applies to every article equally. --Arkhaios Plaga 01:29, 10 April 2011 (GMT)

Don't think that "blackmailing" is the way!

If you think that article (featured or otherwise) is not written from neutral point of view add the flag, and leave a comment on the articles talk page about non-neutral part(s)... and if you think "your" article was neutral then ask the person who flagged it as NPoV what was considered not neutral... --Xanyarr Chyakk 12:10, 10 April 2011 (GMT)

And you really should quote more then one word out of context: "form[ing] the idea of a utopian society" is not quite the same as Avance being described as "utopian"... as for "the ideal place to [...] set up a thriving business" I'm not sure which part do you object to "ideal" or "thriving", both are not impartial and are probably only true from a certain point of view, so could stand to be corrected... --Xanyarr Chyakk 12:10, 10 April 2011 (GMT)